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To stay or not to stay ---That is the question.

 
 
kickycan
 
  1  
Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2009 11:27 pm
@Ticomaya,
Ticomaya wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
Quote:
All he did was express his hope that you do leave. He didn't ask you to leave in that example.

So you keep saying, however you have made no argument to prove your case, nor offered any evidence. You have nothing....


http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4714/holygrailronaldgrant287.jpg


Nicely done. Unfortunately for you, the black knight always triumphs! He'll bite your legs off! Laughing
dlowan
 
  4  
Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2009 11:33 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Incidentally, I deem it strange and impolite that no one on A2K
ever thanks Robert for his having taken the time to create A2K
and to let us use it; he does not even charge us for it.
He does not even hint that we shoud leave love offerings
nor any tangible recognition of the value that has attracted us for several YEARS.
Our host has my respect, my admiration and my gratitude for his having done so.




Heehee....people have thanked him and it makes him go all weird and squeamish and stuff.

As for love offerings..... Shocked .......dear goddess.

Well, perhaps a tasteful shrubbery.
dlowan
 
  1  
Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2009 11:33 pm
@kickycan,
That's kneecaps.
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Diest TKO
 
  2  
Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2009 11:38 pm
How about this.

Finn, you stay.
Tico, you post more.

T
K
O
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msolga
 
  2  
Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2009 11:42 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Incidentally, I deem it strange and impolite that no one on A2K
ever thanks Robert for his having taken the time to create A2K
and to let us use it; he does not even charge us for it.


You must have been on all the wrong threads, David. Robert has been thanked a squillion times (at least)! Which is exactly as things should be.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 12:11 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

Quote:
Incidentally, I deem it strange and impolite that no one on A2K
ever thanks Robert for his having taken the time to create A2K
and to let us use it; he does not even charge us for it.


You must have been on all the wrong threads, David.
Robert has been thanked a squillion times (at least)!
Which is exactly as things should be.
I 'll take your word for it.
I never saw it happen.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 12:17 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:

Quote:
Incidentally, I deem it strange and impolite that no one on A2K
ever thanks Robert for his having taken the time to create A2K
and to let us use it; he does not even charge us for it.
He does not even hint that we shoud leave love offerings
nor any tangible recognition of the value that has attracted us for several YEARS.
Our host has my respect, my admiration and my gratitude for his having done so.




Heehee....people have thanked him and it makes him go all weird and squeamish and stuff.

As for love offerings..... Shocked .......dear goddess.

Well, perhaps a tasteful shrubbery.
The point about "love offerings" bears upon tax liability.
Charges are taxable.
Gifts are not taxable to the recipient.
In America, New Age groups ofen appeal for "love offerings"





David
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Francis
 
  1  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 01:56 am
David wrote:
Incidentally, I deem it strange and impolite that no one on A2K
ever thanks Robert for his having taken the time to create A2K
and to let us use it; he does not even charge us for it.


and wrote:
I never saw it happen.


What do you infer from replies stating the opposite, mainly msolga and Dlowan?

I did it myself and witnessed uncountable instances other posters did.


in a moment of wishful abandon, David wrote:
Gifts are not taxable to the recipient.


Such comments just leave me taken aback..

Frow which state fiscal law is this coming?
aidan
 
  1  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 01:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Incidentally, I deem it strange and impolite that no one on A2K
ever thanks Robert for his having taken the time to create A2K
and to let us use it; he does not even charge us for it.

I've thanked him AND Nick, David,-(don't ask me to find it- I'm not intelligent enough to figure out how to do that) and I also told him I have respect for his obvious intelligence. I think I also said once that he strikes me as a 'straight-shooter' - I used that exact term- I do remember that distinctly. (I bet that's a SUPREME compliment in your book - huh?)
Since I won't be able to find it - I'll repeat it here- I'm thankful there are people in the world who are smart enough and take the time to create things like A2k.
And Robert seems like a good guy.
Quote:
He does not even hint that we shoud leave love offerings

Laughing Laughing
Well, in my opinion - when someone says 'Hey, I respect you and you seem like a good person and very intelligent,' that's almost better than a declaration or offering of love which can mean almost anything to anyone.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 02:34 am
@Francis,
Francis wrote:

David wrote:
Incidentally, I deem it strange and impolite that no one on A2K
ever thanks Robert for his having taken the time to create A2K
and to let us use it; he does not even charge us for it.

and wrote:
I never saw it happen.


Quote:
What do you infer from replies stating the opposite,
mainly msolga and Dlowan?
I accept their words for it,
as I said before.




Quote:
I did it myself and witnessed uncountable instances other posters did.
With good reason; until now, I was not aware
that anyone other than myself had done so.


in a moment of wishful abandon, David wrote:
Gifts are not taxable to the recipient.


Quote:
Such comments just leave me taken aback..

Frow which state fiscal law is this coming?
Federal income tax; Internal Revenue Code.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 02:42 am
@aidan,
aidan wrote:

Quote:
Incidentally, I deem it strange and impolite that no one on A2K
ever thanks Robert for his having taken the time to create A2K
and to let us use it; he does not even charge us for it.

I've thanked him AND Nick, David,-(don't ask me to find it- I'm not intelligent enough to figure out how to do that) and I also told him I have respect for his obvious intelligence. I think I also said once that he strikes me as a 'straight-shooter' - I used that exact term- I do remember that distinctly. (I bet that's a SUPREME compliment in your book - huh?)
Since I won't be able to find it - I'll repeat it here- I'm thankful there are people in the world who are smart enough and take the time to create things like A2k.
And Robert seems like a good guy.
Quote:
He does not even hint that we shoud leave love offerings

Laughing Laughing
Well, in my opinion - when someone says 'Hey, I respect you and you seem like a good person and very intelligent,' that's almost better than a declaration or offering of love which can mean almost anything to anyone.
Well, based on this new information,
I guess that I was rong. I 'm glad that I was rong.

Over the years, I was the only person
that I ever knew to express gratitude for Robert 's successful efforts.





David
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Francis
 
  1  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 03:39 am
in a moment of wishful abandon, David wrote:

Gifts are not taxable to the recipient.



Francis wrote:
Such comments just leave me taken aback..

Frow which state fiscal law is this coming?


Federal income tax; Internal Revenue Code.


You didn't read it quite well did you, David?

Quote:
Under Internal Revenue Code section 102(b)(1), income subsequently derived from any property received as a gift is not excludable from the income taxed to the recipient.[4] In addition, under Internal Revenue Code section 102(b)(2), a donor may not circumvent this requirement by gifting only the income and not the property itself to the recipient. [5] Thus, a gift of income is always income to the recipient. Permitting such an exclusion would allow the donor and the recipient to avoid paying taxes on the income received, a loophole Congress has chosen to eliminate.

Emphasis added by me.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 06:55 am
@Francis,
Francis wrote:

in a moment of wishful abandon, David wrote:

Gifts are not taxable to the recipient.



Francis wrote:
Such comments just leave me taken aback..

Frow which state fiscal law is this coming?


Federal income tax; Internal Revenue Code.


You didn't read it quite well did you, David?

Quote:
Under Internal Revenue Code section 102(b)(1), income subsequently derived from any property received as a gift is not excludable from the income taxed to the recipient.[4] In addition, under Internal Revenue Code section 102(b)(2), a donor may not circumvent this requirement by gifting only the income and not the property itself to the recipient. [5] Thus, a gift of income is always income to the recipient. Permitting such an exclusion would allow the donor and the recipient to avoid paying taxes on the income received, a loophole Congress has chosen to eliminate.

Emphasis added by me.
Let me begin my response by noting that I have never practiced tax law, which is considered a specialty,
nor have I had any reason to keep up to date on this point (i.e., taxability of gifts).

However, I suspect that your quotation fails to include a broader context. I am not 100% certain
that I am correct about this. Fortunately, it does not matter to me, since I do not intend to give anything away.
I have a vague hunch that the statute that u quoted contemplates
a pre-existing commercial relationship between the parties,
rather than their being strangers, or casual friends unrelated by any
profit making enterprize.

I don 't know, but I suspect, that a gift remains (above a designated minimum)
taxable to the donor, not to the recipient.

However, if the gift is made within the context of a broader relationship of payment for services rendered,
then it may well be considered by the IRS to be earned income,
as distinct from a pure gift, which is not earned income,
and hence is not taxable.

That is my general sense of the situation.
In other words, if an employer, for example, presents his employee
with a bonus, the IRS will deem that to be ordinary income,
the same as a salary, but if u give cash to a stranger with whom
u have no commercial relationship, he has no tax liability for that
and any taxes due thereon are assessed against the donor, not the donee.
It might well be the case that in the event that the donor
fails to pay taxes owed on the gift, that the donee might
then become obligated to pay that tax. NOTHING SHOUD
BE DECIDED WITHOUT CAREFUL, CURRENT RESEARCH OF
THE APPLICABLE STATUTE AND CASE LAW.


My comments are only my general offhand opinion of many years' standing
and I have not checked to ascertain whether changes have been
effected to that principle or not. No one shoud take what I said
to constitute legal advice.
ehBeth
 
  4  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:07 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You may or may not agree, but if you do, join me in ignoring them, and, if you think me one of them, ignore me.


I prefer to go with Robert's recommended approach of thumbing down useless/offensive posts - as well as posts that quote them.
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farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:08 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
No one shoud take what I said
to constitute legal advice.
I suppose you have to emit such disclaimers to protect yourself ferom someone being mis-advised by taking advice about things you arent sure,(such as in this case).

When I was a kid, my folks used to watch a show called "THE MILLIONAIRE" in which John Beresford Tipton would lay a check for 1 million bucks on random recipients. The gift was a residual of an amount on which the income tax had been p[aid, thuis leaving the actual amount of 1 million dollars.

There are whole sections of the tx code about "How to plan for reduced tax liabilities " in the case of gifts. (Generation "jump", minimal annual disbursements, etc etc). Id first get advice from a tax accountant rather than a lawyer. .
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:18 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
No one shoud take what I said
to constitute legal advice.
Quote:
I suppose you have to emit such disclaimers to protect yourself ferom someone
being mis-advised by taking advice about things you arent sure,(such as in this case).
I 'd say the same
even if I were 1000% certain.


Quote:
When I was a kid, my folks used to watch a show called "THE MILLIONAIRE"
in which John Beresford Tipton would lay a check for 1 million bucks on random recipients.
The gift was a residual of an amount on which the income tax had been p[aid,
thuis leaving the actual amount of 1 million dollars.
I took the inference that the donor simply paid the applicable gift tax
and no income tax was due on any pure gift; it was not earned income, thus not taxable as such.
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Francis
 
  3  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:21 am
David wrote:
I have a vague hunch..


I knew you had, David! Twisted Evil

I also have a vague hunch that the previous matters will not prevent you from offering us other pearls of your wisdom..
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:27 am
@Francis,
Francis wrote:

David wrote:
I have a vague hunch..


I knew you had, David! Twisted Evil

I also have a vague hunch that the previous matters will not prevent you
from offering us other pearls of your wisdom..
I have NEVER aspired to become a tax lawyer.
That wud be hell. That is a specialty. It is not MY specialty.
I will never counsel anyone as to tax strategy.

Are u a tax lawyer, Francis ?
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blatham
 
  3  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:37 am
I always imagined that incest would be more fun than this.
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Ticomaya
 
  2  
Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:37 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Id first get advice from a tax accountant rather than a lawyer.

I'd get my advice from a tax lawyer.
 

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