To stay or not to stay ---That is the question.

@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

I also admit that there are times when the miscreants succeed in pushing me to lower myself to their level. It's pretty tough to resist responding in kind to Setanta's incessant snotty-ass posts. I can only work harder to do so. It would be helpful though if those of you on the left of the political spectrum, called him out as well. My asking this I acknowledge that it requires a reciprocal response from myself.

How incredibly false of you.

Nobody ever had to do a single thing to get you to 'lower yourself.' You actively start arguments
and lead off with divisive and hateful language. This pretense that you are acting in response
to anyone else is a joke.

My attitude on this is 100% the same as Kickycan's.
I see no reason not to call someone who regularly engages in such
poor behavior, exactly what I believe they are. I hand out my
scorn where I believe it is deserved, and I have never noticed
much reluctance on your part to do the same.

Cycloptichorn

Its not the same.

At least in this post,
u have shown enuf DECENCY as NOT to direct the attention
of innocent participants of this forum into excrement.

Your civility is appreciated.

David

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Quote:

For the record, here are the clear miscreants I have identified:

Setanta
JTT
Cyclo
Cicerone Imposter
DrewDad
Dyslexia

A damn fine list it is, I totally agree and have all of those miscreants on ignore as well. Heretics one and all.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

Its not the same.

At least in this post,
u have shown enuf DECENCY as NOT to direct the attention
of innocent participants of this forum into excrement.

Your civility is appreciated.

No, it is the same. I didn't use a lot of curse words in this post, b/c I didn't feel like it. But I see no reason whatsoever not to do so, if you feel like it, if I felt like it.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

Its not the same.

At least in this post,
u have shown enuf DECENCY as NOT to direct the attention
of innocent participants of this forum into excrement.

Your civility is appreciated.

No, it is the same. I didn't use a lot of curse words in this post, b/c I didn't feel like it.
But I see no reason whatsoever not to do so, if you feel like it, if I felt like it.

Cycloptichorn

U CAN do so, and those of us who find your language
disgustingly intolerable, if such proves to be the case,
can and will put u on Ignore, in self defense,
thereby to have cleaner minds and more beautiful lives.

[The reason "whatsoever not to do so" is diplomacy and is also courtesy.]

David

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I don't have as much time as some to be checking the forums even daily. The number of posts I have made compared to when I joined is proof of that. Sometimes A2K and SB are very interesting, sometimes it's tedious. Maybe Finn, you should take a break when it stops being fun.....you don't have to actually resign. But, resign, don't resign or take a break. Now can we all stop whining how unfair it is that every single person on these forums does not mirror our viewpoints.....how dull would that be?

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@glitterbag,

I get a kick at how the subject of the thread gets hijacked in order for a couple of the habitues to gang up on each other.

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I don't think Finn is too bad. He is not as insane or as impervious to objective facts as many right wing nuts. In fact, I admire the guy, kind of in the same way I admire the Washington Generals, who know beforehand their eventual embarassment by their betters, but continue to play the game.

Finn, I salute your persistence.

http://static.guim.co.uk/Guardian/arts/gallery/2007/jul/22/comedy.films/holy_grail_ronaldgrant-2878.jpg

Regardless of the argument, while you rarely have a leg to stand on, you persist!

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@Ticomaya,

Ticomaya wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
... However I was asked by Robert to leave several times before the one time that I have mentioned the possibility of my leaving. ...

Prove it.

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@OCCOM BILL,

Already shown one such example.....if you think that my understanding of robert is not supported by his words, and by the interpretation of the words as I have done it, then the burden is on you to show where I have gone wrong.

I was called a liar, I believe that I have proved that I am not in this case, so I have no further interest in defending myself. You can think what ever you want, it is of no interest to me. Only if you can and do show up with evidence are your beliefs worthwhile.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

I was called a liar, I believe that I have proved that I am not in this case.

Wrong! You're a lying piece of ****.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Already shown one such example

What happened the other times ?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Already shown one such example.....

No, you didn't.

Quote:

if you think that my understanding of robert is not supported by his words, and by the interpretation of the words as I have done it, then the burden is on you to show where I have gone wrong.

No it isn't. You evidently have interesting and creative definitions for the words, but the rest of us use the normal and customary definitions most English-speaking people attribute to them in context.

You asserted that: "Robert has on several occasions asked me to leave ..."

You have failed to substantiate that claim.

In the one example you proffered, Robert replied to this post of yours, when you conditionally promised to leave A2K:

Robert wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
Once people start voting and you start shifting everything to reflect a members historic popularity a2k will be fucked, and then I will leave.

Oh you martyr you. I hope you do leave, you are just a troll that provides nothing of value. You don't "debate" you just toss out vague rants that you can't begin to substantiate.

(Emphasis mine.)

All he did was express his hope that you do leave. He didn't ask you to leave in that example.

hawkeye10 wrote:

I was called a liar, I believe that I have proved that I am not in this case, ...

No, you have not.

Quote:

... so I have no further interest in defending myself.

Evidently you are unable to.

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@dyslexia,

dyslexia wrote:

Quote:
For the record, here are the clear miscreants I have identified:

Setanta
JTT
Cyclo
Cicerone Imposter
DrewDad
Dyslexia
A damn fine list it is, I totally agree and have all of those miscreants on ignore as well. Heretics one and all.

Personally, I feel deeply insulted that I was omitted from that list of fine and upstanding A2k stalwarts.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Pretty much the same thing, though I have no interest in documenting it. We have wasted far to much time on this diversion already. I was accused of something with no evidence put forward at all. I then reasonably established that I was telling the truth, so I have already been extremely accommodating. I am an American, and here in America we believe pretty strongly that the one or ones who allege guilt have the duty to prove their case. The one who has been accused is under no obligation to prove his innocence. We are presumed innocent until and unless quilt is proven. I not only am innocent to this point, but I am extremely confident that no one can establish my guilt of the charges brought against me.

Absent compelling evidence of guilt being produced this sideshow is over, as there is no reason for me to continue to be hospitable to those who make charges and then are either unwilling or unable to support them.

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@Ticomaya,

Quote:

All he did was express his hope that you do leave. He didn't ask you to leave in that example.

So you keep saying, however you have made no argument to prove your case, nor offered any evidence. You have nothing....

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
All he did was express his hope that you do leave. He didn't ask you to leave in that example.

So you keep saying, however you have made no argument to prove your case, nor offered any evidence. You have nothing....

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4714/holygrailronaldgrant287.jpg

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@Merry Andrew,

Quote:

Personally, I feel deeply insulted that I was omitted from that list of fine and upstanding A2k stalwarts.

For what it's worth, i believe you were lumped with the moderate semi-miscreant cabal.

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@panzade,

panzade wrote:

Quote:
Personally, I feel deeply insulted that I was omitted from that list of fine and upstanding A2k stalwarts.

For what it's worth, i believe you were lumped with the moderate semi-miscreant cabal.

I believe Finn did say, "...and others."

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

panzade wrote:

Quote:
Personally, I feel deeply insulted that I was omitted from that list of fine and upstanding A2k stalwarts.

For what it's worth, i believe you were lumped with the moderate semi-miscreant cabal.

I believe Finn did say, "...and others."

Well. That's something. Maybe he meant to include me after all.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Pretty much the same thing, though I have no interest in documenting it.
We have wasted far to much time on this diversion already.
I was accused of something with no evidence put forward at all.
I then reasonably established that I was telling the truth,
so I have already been extremely accommodating. I am an
American, and here in America we believe pretty strongly that
the one or ones who allege guilt have the duty to prove their case.
The one who has been accused is under no obligation to prove his innocence.
We are presumed innocent until and unless quilt is proven.
I not only am innocent to this point, but I am extremely confident
that no one can establish my guilt of the charges brought against me.

Absent compelling evidence of guilt being produced this sideshow is over,
as there is no reason for me to continue to be hospitable to those
who make charges and then are either unwilling or unable to support them.

In my opinion, it is a good thing that our host has not demanded that u leave.
I do not join in the hatred and abhorence in which some members hereof hold u.
To a lesser extent, thay also bear me ill will.

It is a fact that our host is both very articulate and possessed of much more
than enuf intellectual power to competently organize his thoughts
so as to rid himself of unwanted guests, if that is what he desired to do.

Incidentally, I deem it strange and impolite that no one on A2K
ever thanks Robert for his having taken the time to create A2K
and to let us use it; he does not even charge us for it.
He does not even hint that we shoud leave love offerings
nor any tangible recognition of the value that has attracted us for several YEARS.
Our host has my respect, my admiration and my gratitude for his having done so.

David

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