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The Jews.

 
 
Sofia
 
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Sat 26 Jun, 2004 06:46 pm
GOOD NEWS. Hope they will do more than discuss it. But, discussing it is a good start.
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UN to tackle anti-Semitic 'resurgence'

By EVELYN LEOPOLD
Reuters News Agency
Tuesday, June 22, 2004 - Page A15
UNITED NATIONS -- Secretary-General Kofi Annan declared an "alarming resurgence" of anti-Semitism in the world and called yesterday for United Nations bodies to adopt resolutions and investigate the ancient scourge.

Greeted by a standing ovation, Mr. Annan opened the first UN-organized conference devoted entirely to anti-Semitism amid charges from Jewish leaders that the world body is concentrating on the Palestinian cause at the expense of Israelis.

"When we seek justice for the Palestinians -- as we must -- let us firmly disavow anyone who tries to use that cause to incite hatred against Jews, in Israel or elsewhere," Mr. Annan told the gathering, which included a wide spectrum of U.S. Jewish leaders and representatives of other religions.

The secretary-general said it is hard to believe that 60 years after the Holocaust, anti-Semitism is again rearing its head. "But it is clear that we are witnessing an alarming resurgence of this phenomenon in new forms and manifestations," he said. "This time the world must not, cannot, be silent."

Mr. Annan called for member states to adopt a resolution to combat anti-Semitism, similar to one approved in April by the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe. This said that "political issues including those in Israel or elsewhere in the Middle East never justify anti-Semitism."

He also said the Geneva-based Commission on Human Rights should examine anti-Semitism with the same diligence it uses to look into racism against Muslims in various parts of the world.

Author Elie Wiesel, the Nobel laureate and Holocaust survivor, said he thought anti-Semitism had perished in the Auschwitz death camp, but in truth, "only the Jews perished there."

Mr. Wiesel said that discrimination against Jews often translates into hatred against all minorities.

"When we urge you to fight anti-Semitism, it is because we want to save other people as well," he said.
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Foxfyre
 
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Sat 26 Jun, 2004 08:46 pm
Well it would be very nice (and very surprising!) if the U.N. vigorously denounces anti-semitism as much as it vigorously denounces other causes. But given the attitude and decided anti-semitic stance of Israel's neighbors for more than a half century now, Kofi Annan is just now recognizing it as a problem?
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nimh
 
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Sat 26 Jun, 2004 09:12 pm
Thanks for posting that, Sofia.
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nimh
 
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Mon 14 Feb, 2005 01:05 pm
I thought this was a moving story ... evoking past lives ...

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The end of the affair

To many British Jews between the wars, haunted by poverty and fascism, communism seemed to hold the answer. In this exclusive extract from his new book exploring the dilemmas of Jewish identity, Jonathan Freedland tells the story of his great-uncle Mick's two doomed romances - with the party, and with his closest comrade

Monday February 14, 2005
The Guardian

My great-uncle, Mick Mindel, was 19 when he fell in love. It was 1929, the year Harry Pollitt, general secretary of the Communist party, contested a parliamentary byelection in Mick's backyard of Stepney, London. Communists descended on the streets where Mick played alleyway football, leafleting, hawking copies of the Daily Worker, advertising meeting after public meeting with the candidate. Curiosity led Mick to a Pollitt rally, and he was seduced.

The room vibrated with excitement. The communists in the hall were passionate, excited and, above all, young. They were people just like Mick: the children of immigrants, fluent in English rather than Yiddish, whose zeal to change the world would no longer be confined to the narrow interests of the Jews.

Pollitt was an inspiration. When the questions came, he had an answer to everything. Mick looked around the room. While his parents seemed shaped by the past, the samovar still on the table, here was a generation striding towards the future.

Before he knew it, Mick was drawn in. He joined the Young Communist League and suddenly he was on marches, or doing his shift selling the Daily Worker on the street corner, or door to door, to his neighbours in the Rothschild Buildings and on Flower and Dean Street. In the winter he would play football with a Communist XI; in summer it was country walks with the comrades. The more he did, the more he wanted to do; his comrades were fast becoming his best friends. But one above all.

The first Mick Mindel knew of Sara Wesker was her name. In 1926, she became, briefly, an East End celebrity; Mick was walking down Commercial Street when he saw the Daily Herald poster blasting the news: "Trouser workers strike for a farthing a pair." The all-female workforce at Goodman's factory had walked out, led by a young trouser machinist called Sara Wesker (whose nephew, Arnold, would go on to become one of Britain's leading playwrights).

Three years passed before Mick met her. They were both at that election rally for Pollitt, he a curious neophyte, she a seasoned militant. She immediately set to work on him, urging Mick to join her breakaway United Clothing Workers' Union, a "red" union tied to the Communist party, rather than the TUC.

She was hardly a natural draw for Mick. Less than five feet tall, she was arrestingly sallow: Mick thought she was ill. But she always looked that way; the Communist party grew so worried they once dispatched her to a Crimean spa in a bid to improve her health. The Soviet doctors could not find anything wrong. Pale and sickly was just the way Sara was.

But when she spoke, Mick felt his pulse race. She was a ferocious speaker, as if the energy of five men was balled up inside that miniature frame of hers. In their communist circle, she was a star - a natural agitator and organiser whom others could not help but follow. No wonder, thought Mick, the Goodman girls had marched behind her in 1926. And she was respected, even by the older generation. She not only understood Yiddish but, unlike Mick, spoke it fluently. She could talk to the old women in the sweatshops, and persuade them to talk to her.

When Mick met her, he was a lad of 19 and she an accomplished activist of 27. She became his teacher, allowing him to see the world through her eyes. Such an age gap was unheard of, in the East End as much as anywhere else. Nevertheless, Sara and Mick became a permanent fixture in the Rothschild Buildings. And eventually they became lovers.

Under her tutelage, Mick soon developed into a formidable speaker and organiser himself. When he made his formal political debut, seeking a place on the social committee of the United Ladies' Tailors' Trade Union, he breezed to victory.

Amalgamation - merging this Jewish union into the wider, national movement - was the question of the age. But it turned on a much larger question, one that had run through Jewish history for centuries and would haunt much of Mick's life: which came first, the needs of his own people or the universal cause of humankind? In the merger debate, Mick and the comrades were quick to go on the offensive, pushing their vision of the Jewish working-class future. In 1937, he stood for election as vice-chairman, and won. Before long Mick had cleared out the aged men above him and in 1938, he ran for the top job in the union. His manifesto could not have been clearer: "A vote for Mick Mindel is a vote for amalgamation."

The campaign was one long row. Tailors would argue the question for hours on end, their fellow workers putting down their lead irons or giant scissors to join in. It continued at homes, over borscht and gefilte fish, and on the porches and over the stairwells at Rothschild Buildings, neighbours clashing with neighbours.

Mick had an unofficial campaign committee, made up of his fellow communists. Among them, his most trusted adviser was his girlfriend, Sara. Her campaigning, addressing groups of older workers in their workshops and in their mother tongue, was tireless. But still Mick could not be sure - until the day of the ballot itself, when he and his opponent had to make their final pleas at a mass meeting, at Mile End public baths.

"It is 1938 and we face a dire threat," Mick declared. "The world is in flames, with the Nazis planning havoc in Europe. I have seen them with my own eyes, on my visits to Germany, and let me tell you, these people are deadly serious and they have a lethal hatred of Jews. Can we fight a threat like that alone? Three thousand of us, alone? We need allies, we need comrades, we need strength in numbers, and that means taking our rightful place in a national union!"

Mick had to battle through applause to get to the end of that sentence. He could feel the room coming his way. "And let me say something else about Jewish 'independence'. None of our parents or grandparents ever imagined independence to mean a ghetto of our own making. Our persecutors made us live like that and we escaped it. That's why we came here! We didn't want to live shut away from everyone else, but wanted to live alongside them. And don't we want that now? We want our children to belong in England, to get along in England. That's why we work so hard to make sure they know the language, or learn how to play football and cricket.

"Jewish? Yes, always. But part of this country too. And that begins with the union that represents us."

By the time he was back in his chair, Mick knew he had won. The room was in tumult, clanging with feet-stamping applause. Soon he was joined by his immediate supporters, Sara planting a firm, insistent kiss on his lips. When the result came, it broke all records. He had won 93% of the vote.

A year later, in the summer of 1939, Mick, who still worked as a cutter, was returning to the home he now shared with Sara and her family after a 12-hour shift. As he turned his front door key, he heard the wireless, louder than usual. He called to Sara, but heard no reply. The moment he was out of the tiny hallway, he could see why. Sara was huddling by the wireless, her ear next to it even though the voice was loud and clear. She did not look up; her eyes were frozen. Her face, always sallow, was now a deathly white.

The room was filled by the voice of the BBC: " ... standing under a portrait of Vladimir Lenin, Foreign Minister Molotov signed the pact in Moscow on behalf of the Soviet Union, while Germany was represented by Foreign Minister Von Ribbentrop. General Secretary Stalin looked on ... "

Sara had her head in her hands, moving it from side to side. She began letting out a low noise, a sound Mick had never heard from her before. It was part wail, part growl - an animal wounded and angry.

"The text of the non-aggression pact between the two governments is as follows: desirous of strengthening the cause of peace between Germany and the USSR ... " Mick felt dizzy. He was sweating, he needed to sit down, he needed to drink water, he needed to think. There was obviously some mistake, some terrible act of deception designed to break the will of communism. Perhaps there had been a coup and the BBC was broadcasting propaganda.

Mick put his hand on Sara's shoulder and she at last raised her face. Her eyes were red raw, her cheeks wet; she seemed to be trembling. They stayed there, Sara still holding the wireless, Mick standing at her side, gripping her shoulders for what seemed like hours. Mick's mind was racing as he tried to explain what he was hearing. What elaborate trick was this that could pretend the Soviet Union, the beacon of world communism, would make common cause with its sworn enemy? Communism was to be fascism's slayer, not its accomplice.

That evening Mick and Sara's flat became a shiva house, a house of mourning. Comrades from all over Stepney would knock on the door, shuffle in and stare at their feet. Few could even speak. Occasionally someone might offer a piece of amateur analysis: "Now Hitler's got what he wants. He knows now he won't have to go to war on two fronts. He has closed down the eastern front." "Maybe it's a ploy?" But no one was in much of a mood for debate. They wanted just to share the shock with others.

Morning came and it was no lie. Mick saw the Daily Worker and felt his stomach turn. "Soviet Union and Germany Sign Pact," read the headline. The pact was real and, worse, the British Communist party had not spoken out against it.

On the first Saturday afternoon after news of the pact broke, a meeting was convened at party headquarters on King Street in Covent Garden. Mick and Sara were in the front row. The first to speak was Palme Dutt, executive committee member and editor of the party journal, Labour Monthly. A Swedish Indian by background, he commanded enormous intellectual respect, wearing the proud Marxist tag "theoretician". He was one of the very few British party members to count as a substantial figure in world communism.

Moscow had made its decision, Dutt began. It had made it not only as the representative of the proletariat of the Soviet Union but in the best interests of the international working class. Those distant from the decision were in no position to criticise it since they were not fully apprised of the facts and could not reach the objective, scientific conclusions of the leadership.

Next came Pollitt, general secretary and a personal hero to the young couple in the front row. He spoke for everyone who had huddled together in Sara and Mick's flat that day, articulating the shock they had all felt when they heard the news. He said he could not defend an accommodation with the Nazis. It was at odds with everything that communism stood for.

Suddenly, Dutt was interrupting Pollitt, denouncing the general secretary. His crime had been to disagree with him and therefore with Moscow. Pollitt was now shouting back from the lectern, but Dutt was bellowing just as loudly and gesticulating. Everyone was too stunned to do anything.

Mick wanted to cheer Pollitt, but he and everyone else in the room stayed strangely quiet. Mick even kept silent when the central committee lined up behind Dutt and voted to punish the general secretary for a violation of party discipline, suspending him from his post.

Mick looked around and, almost for the first time in the Communist party, he felt lonely. Why were all these people apparently able to make a pact with the gangsters of Nazism when he could not? Surely the crucial difference could not be that he felt differently because he was a Jew?

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Before the war, union business had taken Mick to the Stoke Newington clothing shop B Mindel & Co. He had made the Dunilovich connection - realising they hailed from the same shtetl, the same tiny hamlet in what is now Belarus - with the owner, Barnet Mindel, working out that they must be cousins of some remove or other from the old country. How strange that they should be reunited here, in London!

Years later Mick was doing his rounds, visiting factories, wholesalers and retailers, when he called in at Goldstein's on Alie Street. As soon as he introduced himself, several of the workers there had the same thought. "You must come and meet Sylvia. She's a Mindel too!" They surprised everyone by insisting that they had not met before, though it did not take long for Mick to make the connection with Barnet Mindel of Stoke Newington.

"That's my father!" exclaimed Sylvia, her eyes bright. But Mick was not really listening. Instead he was taking a good look at this tall, thin, sparkling woman. Sylvia was an officer in the Girls' Training Corps and she was wearing her army uniform. She filled the room with her talk, charming everyone who came by the shop.

They all seemed to be in love with Sylvia and it was only a matter of time before Mick fell into line. All the determination he had once deployed to transform the United Ladies' Tailors' Trade Union he now concentrated on winning Sylvia's hand. When she was 30 and he nearly 35, she finally relented. In 1944, Mindel married Mindel and the two branches of the family, sundered by time and geography, were reunited not in Dunilovich but in Stoke Newington, north London.

The way Sara Wesker's family tell it, the first she knew of this new romance was when she visited communist headquarters on King Street. "I hear Mick's getting married," the party's industrial organiser, Peter Kerrigan, said, by way of small talk. He assumed that Mick and Sara had broken up a while ago. But then he saw Sara blanch, wheel round and head for home. Her niece, Della, found her there, sobbing in the scullery, her arm on the mantelpiece. "The bastard never even told me," she was saying again and again.

Sara never got over Mick, never fell in love again and never married. Thereafter she devoted all her energies to the causes that had brought them together, the union and the Communist party. They became her life.

The party did not fully forgive Mick either. The comrades loved Sara and resented his mistreatment of her. Worse, he had discarded her for a "mantle maker's daughter", a member of the Jewish bourgeoisie! Communists regarded this the way their orthodox parents would have seen a church wedding: Mick had married out.

The Weskers had their own theories. One imagined that Mick's mother had vetoed Sara on the grounds that she was too sickly to make a wife or future mother. Others would wonder if Mick, who had lived in Rothschild Buildings with both Sara's parents and her sister Ann, had feared the burden of providing for her family. Either way, the Weskers would speak for generations of Mick Mindel and his "terrible betrayal".

Sara herself was more forgiving. After a long hiatus, she became friends again with Mick. He would come to see her most weekends, often bringing his only child, Ruth. Sara looked forward to those visits and Mick did too. The bond between them had been too strong to break completely. Even Sara's sisters eventually allowed Mick to be woven back into the Wesker family fabric.

When Sara died of a stroke in 1971, Mick spoke at her funeral. He broke down as he addressed her coffin: "I always loved you, Sara, and I always will."



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This is an edited extract from Jacob's Gift - A Journey Into the Heart of Belonging, by Jonathan Freedland, published by Hamish Hamilton on February 24, priced £16.99. To order a copy for £16.14, including p&p, call the Guardian book service on 0870 836 0875
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Lash
 
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Sat 20 Aug, 2005 11:23 pm
Minsk Holocaust Memorial Desecrated Fri Aug 19, 5:01 PM ET

To: National Desk
WASHINGTON, August 19 /U.S. Newswire/ -- NCSJ: Advocates on behalf of Jews in Russia, Ukraine, the Baltic States & Eurasia today condemned the desecration of the Holocaust memorial in Minsk, Belarus and called on the Belarusian authorities to bring the perpetrators to justice.

The memorial "Yama" or "The Pit", erected in 1946 in memory of the more than 800,000 Jewish victims of the Nazis during World War II, was covered with the burnt fragments of wreaths and human waste.

Leonid Levin, President of the Association of Belarus Jewish Organizations and Communities, said, "We consider this act of vandalism a manifestation of rampant anti-Semitism, and an instigation of inter-ethnic hatred. We have sent a request to the General Prosecutor of Belarus to take appropriate measures to prevent the growth of anti-Semitism, and to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice."

"This is not the first time this memorial has been vandalized," NCSJ noted. It is yet another example of the unchecked anti-Semitism that is being ignored in Belarus."

NCSJ is in ongoing contact with the Jewish leadership in Belarus about this issue and other issues of concern to the Jewish community.

NCSJ: Advocates on behalf of Jews in Russia, Ukraine, the Baltic States & Eurasia, is the mandated central coordinating agency of the organized Jewish community for policy and activities on behalf of the estimated 1.5 million Jews in the former Soviet Union, including the 75,000 Jews in Belarus.


http://www.usnewswire.com/
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goodfielder
 
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Sun 21 Aug, 2005 02:01 am
I have to admit to not understanding at all the sort of mindlessness in people that allows for actions such as this.

For the second time in my day I'm at a loss for words.
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Foxfyre
 
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Sun 21 Aug, 2005 07:52 am
Russia's and then the Soviet Union's Twenthieth Century track record for treatment of the Jews has been abyssmal. We can only hope they, as other civilized countries have done, will learn how to be better. But I guess hate-filled idiots are always going to be with us everywhere.
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Lash
 
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Sun 21 Aug, 2005 08:41 am
I honestly can't understand it, either GF.

It's just getting worse, IMO.

Has anyone heard--or I should say--is there anything to a recent contention that "neo-con" is becomoing some sort of euphemism for Jews controlling US government?
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Mon 22 Aug, 2005 08:10 am
Lash wrote:
I honestly can't understand it, either GF.

It's just getting worse, IMO.

Has anyone heard--or I should say--is there anything to a recent contention that "neo-con" is becomoing some sort of euphemism for Jews controlling US government?


Well, I must say that I've never thought of it that way. In fact, race has never crossed my mind when I think of neo-cons.

I suspect something that is occurring here, is the blur between Jew and Israeli. They're not quite the same things, but innocents are getting blamed for the rather nasty actions of the other (Israel). Then there's the Nazi nutcases, but we all know why they hate the Jews.

Let's face it, even after the attacks in London, there was some kind of backlash against innocent Muslims, despite the fact they had nothing to do with the bombings.

What we're seeing here is the same sort of thing but applied to Jews instead of Muslims. It's not pretty, but it happens. Let's hope the morons that perpetrate this sort of thing start becoming enlightened.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 22 Aug, 2005 08:17 am
Lash wrote:
Has anyone heard--or I should say--is there anything to a recent contention that "neo-con" is becomoing some sort of euphemism for Jews controlling US government?


That sounds very much like a pathetic and despicable attempt on the part of conservatives to demonize anyone who complains about the neo-cons. Dick Cheney is a founding member of PNAC--are you saying he's a Jew?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Mon 22 Aug, 2005 09:43 am
That was a moving story about mick mindel nimh

Was he Jonathan Freedland's Grandfather?

I have met JF

He's a really nice chap and writes very well.
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Lash
 
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Mon 22 Aug, 2005 04:52 pm
Setanta wrote:
Lash wrote:
Has anyone heard--or I should say--is there anything to a recent contention that "neo-con" is becomoing some sort of euphemism for Jews controlling US government?


That sounds very much like a pathetic and despicable attempt on the part of conservatives to demonize anyone who complains about the neo-cons. Dick Cheney is a founding member of PNAC--are you saying he's a Jew?

Your bias has colored your thinking.

It's more a dangerous method of racists and those who hate Jews to demonize Jews and Israel, and attempt to turn Americans against them. It happens to fall in to the hands of Democrats as Republicans as a rule support Israel and Jews, in general.

But, bigger than US politics, if we can step aside from that, is it's impact presently and in the future against Jews.

I have seen and heard from many sources that "neo-con" is being used by some groups as a euphemism for Jews controlling the US government. That hardly means all the members would have to be Jewish...but merely for whatever reason espouse a pro-Israeli ideology.

While I don't see anything wrong with a pro-Israeli ideology--those blatant racists who are forwarding this inflammatory theory and the two-faced bigots who are speaking about it in the shadows--are forwarding it as some secret 'cabal' /weapon to control the US. They do mention Wolfowitz, Perle, and connect them with some Jewish web of puppet masters. Actually, I think DTOM mentioned it to me recently. I've seen it widely.

Maybe he'll come over and tell where he heard the theory.
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FreeDuck
 
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Mon 22 Aug, 2005 05:04 pm
While there is certainly nothing wrong with favoring allies, the theory that you are alluding to alledges that we are letting our pro-Israel stance influence us to make decisions that are in their best interest but maybe not in ours. That's quite different and I would bet that you would have a problem with a government that appeared to be allowing another country, like China, to have excessive influence. Not saying it is or isn't, was or wasn't, just trying to paint the picture for you.

What I see that looks dangerous is the willingness to equate any criticism of Israel with anti-semitism or racism. And I think that's what Set was referring to.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 22 Aug, 2005 05:26 pm
You're hilarious. First you write this:

Lash wrote:
Your bias has colored your thinking.


Then you write this tripe:

Quote:
It happens to fall in to the hands of Democrats as Republicans as a rule support Israel and Jews, in general.



It's pointless discussing anything with you, thanks to your bias.
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Lash
 
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Mon 22 Aug, 2005 06:19 pm
Well, that is a good by-product of bias. I shall endeavor to cultivate enough for a force field with your name on it.

______________________ <-- Please do not pass this line.

FreeDuck--

When one country is blamed for every trauma the world has suffered, that should tell you something is very wrong. The Jews are repsonsible for 911, the Jews are responsible for Germany's economic status, the Jews are responsible for the plague, the Jews are responsible for the Iraq war.

I think that people who believe all this are racist against Jews. I'm am so tired of the BS about 'willingness to equate any criticism of Israel' with anti-Semitism.

Where was the criticism of Israel? It was a wild, fleshed out theory blaming Israel for running the US. Do you believe it? Why try to dismiss it with an unrelated, conditioned response?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 22 Aug, 2005 06:19 pm
Set, You mean this is the first time you realized this? LOL
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Lash
 
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Mon 22 Aug, 2005 06:48 pm
C.I.


___________________ <-- No no.
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FreeDuck
 
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Mon 22 Aug, 2005 07:02 pm
Lash wrote:

When one country is blamed for every trauma the world has suffered, that should tell you something is very wrong. The Jews are repsonsible for 911, the Jews are responsible for Germany's economic status, the Jews are responsible for the plague, the Jews are responsible for the Iraq war.


Who is saying this?

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I think that people who believe all this are racist against Jews. I'm am so tired of the BS about 'willingness to equate any criticism of Israel' with anti-Semitism.


Well, I think that people who believe what you say above are racist too. The problem is that I don't know anyone who believes that. I do know a lot of people, though, who have legitimate criticisms of Israel's policies and actions who get shouted down as being anti-semites every time they express such thoughts.

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Where was the criticism of Israel? It was a wild, fleshed out theory blaming Israel for running the US. Do you believe it? Why try to dismiss it with an unrelated, conditioned response?


Where was huh? What theory, specifically, are you talking about?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 22 Aug, 2005 07:23 pm
FreeDuck, I've been called anti-Semite just for the reasons you describe. Hell, I criticize my own siblings for the things they believe in and I don't about politics and religion. Nothing racist about it.
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Lash
 
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Mon 22 Aug, 2005 07:42 pm
Well, FreeDuck, I'm glad. Thank you. Sometimes, I honestly think when I bring up some of this stuff, and people give the pat answer--"ah, you think criticism of Israel equates with anti-Semitism"--it really seems to me they do this to deflect from the reality of what's happening.

I'm so glad to know that's not true of you.

I'm not blaming a group of people--liberals, Democrats...--although, for some reason I can't understand, it seems that most of the people making these accusations are either skinhead or outright generalized racists, who hate blacks, Jews, (who else do they hate?) and fringe Democrats.
Then, the mainstream Democrats seem, by statements, pro-Palestinian. While that's perfectly fine, it makes one look questionably at the greying of the line between the visceral fringe element who blame Jews for everything--and the Democrats, who just support the Palestinians.

Have you ever googled something and landed in one of those hateful places and see some of the things they say?
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