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Myth of "Separation of Church and State"

 
 
cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 10:42 am
My Moroccan neighbours just won't stop with the damn ululating....
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 10:43 am
an apple shoved down the throat prior to roasting solves the noise problem (so i hear)
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 10:47 am
I recommend inviting them to a barbeque, Cav . . .
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 10:48 am
Will there be pecan pie?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 12:19 pm
Good idea, Cav, we could make is Southern style . . . hope those Morrocan kids are well-fed and plump . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 12:20 pm
We should probably lay off, Southerngrl probably thinks we're serious. After all, Swift was condemned for having his heart in the right place, but being too harsh in A Modest Proposal, by Tories who took it all seriously . . .
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 01:45 pm
I'll lay off just after posting the source of my last post:

http://www.theonion.com/onion3633/moroccan_neighbors.html

K, I'm done now Laughing
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 01:50 pm
cav- You're done? I thought a bit more basting would be in order! Laughing
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 01:50 pm
Stick a fork in him . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 01:52 pm
"I'm having an old friend for dinner."

-- Hannibal Lecter
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 01:53 pm
I don't know why, but this thread reminds me of an old Tom Lehrer song:

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I Wanna Go Back to Dixie

I wanna go back to Dixie,
Take me back to dear ol' Dixie,
That's the only li'l ol' place for li'l ol' me.
Old times there are not forgotten,
Whuppin' slaves and sellin' cotton,
And waitin' for the Robert E. Lee.
(It was never there on time.)

I'll go back to the Swanee,
Where pellagra makes you scrawny,
And the honeysuckle clutters up the vine.
I really am a-fixin'
To go home and start a-mixin'
Down below that Mason-Dixon line.

Oh, poll tax,
How I love ya, how I love ya,
My dear ol' poll tax.

Won'tcha come with me to Alabammy,
Back to the arms of my dear ol' Mammy,
Her cookin's lousy and her hands are clammy,
But what the hell, it's home.

Yes, for paradise the Southland is my nominee.
Jes' give me a ham hock and a grit of hominy.

I wanna go back to Dixie,
I wanna be a Dixie pixie
And eat corn pone till it's comin' outta my ears.
I wanna talk with Southern gentlemen
And put that white sheet on again,
I ain't seen one good lynchin' in years.

The land of the boll weevil,
Where the laws are medieval,
Is callin' me to come and nevermore roam.
I wanna go back to the Southland,
That "y'all" and "shet-ma-mouth" land,
Be it ever so decadent,
There's no place like home.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 02:00 pm
Oh, well if we all agree to keep playing....and quoting Tom Lehrer:

Intro:
One week of every year is designated National Brotherhood Week. This is just one of many such weeks honoring various worthy causes. One of my favorites is National Make-Fun-Of-The-Handicapped Week, which Frank Fontaine and Jerry Lewis are in charge of as you know. During National Brotherhood Week various special events are arranged to drive home the message of brotherhood - this year, for example, on the first day of the week, Malcolm X was killed, which gives you an idea of how effective the whole thing is.

I'm sure we all agree that we ought to love one another, and I know there are people in the world who do not love their fellow human beings, and I hate people like that! Here's a song about National Brotherhood Week.

Oh, the white folks hate the black folks,
And the black folks hate the white folks;
To hate all but the right folks
Is an old established rule.

But during National Brotherhood Week,
National Brotherhood Week,
Lena Horne and Sheriff Clark are dancing cheek to cheek.
It's fun to eulogize
The people you despise
As long as you don't let 'em in your school.

Oh, the poor folks hate the rich folks,
And the rich folks hate the poor folks.
All of my folks hate all of your folks,
It's American as apple pie.

But during National Brotherhood Week,
National Brotherhood Week,
New Yorkers love the Puerto Ricans 'cause it's very chic.
Step up and shake the hand
Of someone you can't stand,
You can tolerate him if you try!

Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And everybody hates the Jews.

But during National Brotherhood Week,
National Brotherhood Week,
It's National Everyone-Smile-At-One-Another-Hood Week.
Be nice to people who
Are inferior to you.
It's only for a week, so have no fear;
Be grateful that it doesn't last all year!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 02:03 pm
And from a real down home boy, Warren Zevon:


Play It All Night Long

Grandpa pissed his pants again
He don't give a damn
Brother Billy has both guns drawn
He ain't been right since Vietnam
Sweet home Alabama
Play that dead band's song
Turn those speakers up full blast
Play it all night long

Daddy's doing Sister Sally
Grandma's dying of cancer now
The cattle all have brucellosis
We'll get through somehow

Sweet home Alabama
Play that dead band's song
Turn those speakers up full blast
Play it all night long

I'm going down to the Dew Drop Inn
See if I can drink enough
There ain't much to country living
Sweat, piss, jizz and blood

Sweet home Alabama
Play that dead band's song
Turn those speakers up full blast
Play it all night long
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 02:18 pm
Hey, guess what? I think I just found Jesus! I say 'think' because Jesus was in the back of my fridge, and could possibly just be a bearded orange.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 02:29 pm
What a friend we have in Jeeeeeeeeeee-sus
Christ Almighty, what a pal.
He will serve you wine and cheeeeeeeeeses
Then he'll try to steal your gal.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 02:42 pm
Oh come on folks!

This is just the thing that God was trying to stop when He wrote the Constitution.

There will be no more of this when the United Nations takes over. (Now if we can just get southerngrl to give up her guns.)
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 02:45 pm
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This is just the thing that God was trying to stop when He wrote the Constitution


ebrown_p - See what you know. She did not! Laughing
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southerngrl
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 02:57 pm
Piffka wrote:
Ms S. Girl,
Instead of providing these websites of information, please just think. Think and, as Kitchen Pete says, listen. How much of your life is wrapped around your church and your southern state? Can you step outside that for a moment and look at a bigger picture? Must we always fight with you about the damned Civil War? And God? Your version of history, your version of the Almighty and your views of how the country should be run are (really and truly) not mine.


Of course, I can step outside of it...however, when I do, I get nauseated and realize that I'm in the right place...FOR ME. Didn't say anyone else HAD to come along...just that as a 40 year old woman, who has researched both sides, (still do really, when a new debate comes up) realized that I am more comfortable as a Christian, conservative, Southern, American.

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#1 - Which denomination would you want to be the Christian version for the United States?


Being as I attend a non-denominational church...I would have to say non-denominational. This implies that we just use the New Testament as our foundation. As close as we, as humans, can come to it.

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#2, If you were so interested in a Christian State, then why are you unmoved as to the state following the ways of Christ with the tax money it requires of us?


Give to Caesar what is Caesars and give to God what is Gods. I also am a fighting advocate of eliminating the "illegal" income tax. I do not, however, mind assisting our country with the basic needs we have that must be received through money.

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They used neutral words on occasion, quite abstract and to my ears, poetic. Never did they suggest ANYWHERE that the courts or the government should look to the Bible, to any Commandments, or to any other book.


I consider their words, which were documented somewhere (or we wouldn't know what they are) are the perfect example of how they EXPECTED us to look to the Bible, the Commandments, and other books. (See the founding fathers quotes I posted earlier) There was absolutely no need to put them in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence (except the preamble and "in the year of our Lord")...it wasn't an issue and was understood. If it wasn't an issue that was causing turmoil, why would they add it? It wouldn't make sense.

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It was a good thing the Founding Fathers didn't specify any such things and it has worked fairly well. So the thought of you wanting to change all these things is reprehensible and repugnant, particularly when you seem neither Christlike nor friendly.

Sincerely,
Piffka


I always "seem" that way to those who disagree...however, I am very comfortable being around those who agree with me, yet, not afraid of those who don't. Again, Christians are not the silent majority anymore. Most of us actually take the blame for sitting back over the last 50 years and saying nothing. Look where it's gotten us. We can't sit idle anymore...if it offends you or makes you feel I am not Christian, just because I stand up for my beliefs, I'm sorry. I don't feel that being outspoken about my beliefs or the good of our country is non-Christlike or unfriendly.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 02:59 pm
There are none so blind and she who will not see . . .

I'm profoundly relieved to know that your opinions are minority opinions, and that your kind does not run the country.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2003 03:02 pm
SG

I've asked several times for you to respond to my post -- and my questions.

Joe from Chicago has done the same.

Fealola has also.

What say?

Some response?

Or do you concede that you don't have adequate response for our questions?
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