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Myth of "Separation of Church and State"

 
 
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sat 25 Oct, 2003 02:23 pm
Oh, and I forgot this particular gem:

southerngrl wrote:
Plus, the 13th amendment didn't free all slaves anyway, only those in the slaves in the South where Lincoln had absolutely no authority and he refused to release the slaves in the North where he did have authority.

Clearly, you are confusing the Thirteenth Amendment with the Emancipation Proclamation. The Thirteenth Amendment most definitely freed all the slaves (unless, of course, you're referring yet again to some other "Thirteenth Amendment").
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sat 25 Oct, 2003 02:36 pm
"Take a bow, the night is over
This masquerade is getting older
Light are low, the curtains down"
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 25 Oct, 2003 03:37 pm
Yes, send in more clowns. I need a good laugh.
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Child of the Light
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2003 03:22 pm
If prayer in school is ever allowed all it will do is cause trouble. Because all the Satanic teens will start "praying" to Satan, and what will become of them?

Metaphorically speaking; they will be ran up a tower with pitchforks, and burned.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2003 03:28 pm
Another excellent point, thanks child....
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Child of the Light
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2003 06:20 pm
no problem littlek, that's why I am here :wink:
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2003 06:22 pm
Very Happy
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2003 05:13 am
Jesus Christ on "prayer in school -- or at football games":

"When you are praying, do not behave like the hypocrites who love to stand and pray in synagogues or on street corners in order to be noticed....Whenever you pray, go to your room, close your door, and pray to your Father in private."
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2003 06:50 am
Good point--the self-promotion aspect of loudly, publicly religious people is truly disgusting.
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southerngrl
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2003 09:37 am
Letty wrote:
Wow! How did I miss this thread? Wild guess! Bet Southerngirl is from Richmond.


Wow...that's pretty good Letty! Since I stated I was in Richmond, VA!
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southerngrl
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2003 09:45 am
joefromchicago wrote:
Southerngrl, let's compare what you wrote with what you're now saying.

SG then: "...here is documented proof (you can research yourself) that the war was not fought over slavery...at all."
SG now: "So? It has no bearing on whether or not the war was fought over slavery."
Comment: You offered the Corwin Amendment as evidence that the war was not fought over slavery. Then, when you were shown that your facts were all wrong, you said it didn't matter. Look, southerngrl, either get your facts straight or stop offering them as proof of anything.


Boy, you are pretty good. You know that my point is that the war was NOT fought for over slavery. Then you made a point about "WHO" proposed the Corwin Agreement...my response was that it didn't matter who or when...the fact was that the South was offered by the North (the Union) to keep their slaves if they would return to the Union, PRIOR TO THE FIRST SHOT AT FT. SUMTER. You still cannot explain how it was fought over slavery when if it were, we never would have fired the shot in April, when offered the chance to keep them in March!! Don't try to confuse the issue. Keep it simple, would ya?

Without copying all that crap...here it is in laymans terms. In March, 1961, the South was offered the option of keeping their slaves IF they would return to the union or avoid the inevitable. They refused, because it was NOT what they were fighting for. In April, 1961, we were forced to fire the shot because nothing was offered to us as far as states rights, limited federal government, or the 47% tariffs the North wanted to impose on our goods. Please, please...stop writing books on a subject that is very simple to understand. If you don't want to admit it, fine...my brain hurts, because it's so simple.
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Letty
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2003 10:00 am
oops, sorry SG. I missed that, so it truly was a guess on my part. My mother's people are from Richmond and as my dad once observed, they were all the first ones in church and the last ones out. I will say this, since BC means before the birth of Christ, it would be safe to assume that anno domini would mean in the year of Christ. Had to prove that to my students once, because they kept saying it meant "after death".
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southerngrl
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2003 10:06 am
joefromchicago wrote:
Oh, and I forgot this particular gem:

southerngrl wrote:
Plus, the 13th amendment didn't free all slaves anyway, only those in the slaves in the South where Lincoln had absolutely no authority and he refused to release the slaves in the North where he did have authority.


Sorry, made a mistake...which I hope you understand is possible with all of these posts. I have always understood that the Emancipation Proclamation states the above...not the 13th Amendment.

Sorry. And the 13th Amendment was ratified AFTER the war...so it still would have no bearing on whether the war was fought to preserve slavery or not.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2003 11:21 am
How is it that southerngrl is the sole bearer of truth?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2003 11:41 am
Satan has cast a veil over all of our eyes, POM, but SG's incedible righteous virtue has allowed her to cast this aside, to see "THE TRUTH."
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2003 02:33 pm
That's the "sole bearer of truth" as I'm sure she's finding it on the bottom of her shoe.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2003 02:39 pm
Wait a sec....wasn't 'Hee Haw' cancelled years ago? Mmmm....sole....
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2003 02:44 pm
Cav, DO NOT say something is fishy here . . .
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2003 03:11 pm
Laughing
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Letty
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2003 06:26 pm
Setanta, Cav. I think that you both just went for the throat. The separation of church and state is NOT a myth, but SG has the right to say so and she doesn't have to prove anything. Suffice it to say, that when we resort to the low blows of allusion, we all lose.

One of my students looked at me with his cold green eyes and said:

Mrs. Letty, once we break one taboo, the rest become easy. That young man died, not from war, although he was part of it, but from a brain tumor.

Departing with a sense of deep regret.
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