southerngrl wrote:Quote:So you are correct. Slavery cannot be blamed on the American south. The god of the Bible beat our southern brothers and sisters to the punch.
Try finding that in the New Testament in the day of Jesus Christ. Which is the values we are to live by today.
Sure thing. No problem at all.
At 1 Timothy 6:1ff, St. Paul says:
"All under the yoke of slavery must regard their masters as worthy of full respect...Those slaves whose masters are brothers in the faith must not take liberties with them on that account. they must perform their tasks even more faithfully, since those who will profit from their work are believers and beloved brothers."
At Colossians 3:22, St. Paul says:
"To slaves I say, obey your human masters perfectly, not with the purpose of attracting attention and pleasing men, but in all sincerity and our of reverence for the Lord."
At Colossians 4:1, St. Paul says:
"You slave owners, deal justly and fairly with your slaves..."
At Titus 2:9, St. Paul says:
"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters. They should try to please them in every way, not contradicting them nor stealing from them, but expressing a constant fidelity by their conduct, so as to adorn in every way possible the doctrine of God our Savior."
At 1 Corinthians 7:17ff, St. Paul says:
"The general rule is that each one should lead the life the Lord has assigned him, continuing as he was when the Lord called him...Were you a slave when your call came? Give it no thought. Even supposing you could go free, you would be better off making the most of your slavery...."
At Philemon, Paul returns a slave (Onesimus) to his master (Philemon) and tells Philemon that although he )Paul) feels he has the right to command Philemon to free Onesimus, he would not do that, but would instead appeal to Philemon to do it on his own.
Quote:Quote:Ahhh...and when do you suppose the south figured would be a more acceptable time? Perhaps in the 26th century?
No, it was on the way out at the time of the war anyway.
Sure it was! Ever hear of revisionist history?
Quote:Quote:You apparently practice it against those of us who realize religion is a net negative for society -- rather than the huge positive folks like you like to pretend it is.
It wasn't a negative for our FF's and it wasn't a negative until people started fighting against it and making it negative. There is nothing negative about a moral society.
Religion was a negative in this country long before the founding fathers ever set about calling for our independence, SG. Salem witch trials, for instance. And the justification for the initial slavery came from religion. (Refer to my earlier post)
Try to stay focused.
Quote:Quote:And for what it is worth, there is nothing so sleazy as hiding the kind of bigotry, narrow-mindedness and hatred that engenders the kind of mindset you exhibit -- behind a pretence of intellectualism, reason, and fact-based research.
Truth hurts. And I hate no one. Plus, the majority of Americans feel the same way I do.
My guess is that you don't have any idea of how the majority of Americans feel. And my hope is that no where near a majority think the way you do.
Quote: You're putting a label on me that is totally 100% contradictory of who I am.
Perhaps that is correct -- and I acknowledge that. The only thing I have to work with is this post -- and it may be throwing me off. But this post indicates that I am probably closer to the truth about you than you are about you.
Quote:Quote:The Constitution's last line is "in the year of our Lord"... That just proves to me that they were Christians. I don't hear "Lord" in any religion other than Christianity
As I said earlier, that is an absurd statement.
And when you make an absurd statement -- and someone posts a reasonable reply -- you really shouldn't change the parameters by pretending you meant something else. People might get the impression that you are untrustworthy.
What the heck are you talking about? I was trying to show that the word "Lord" IS in our Constitution...the subject was a whether the FF's represented the "Christian" religion. She made a statement as to whether I have heard of Lord Buddha...incinuating the FF's could have been talking about him! I only said that's ridiculous. Take time to read the quotes I posted from our FF's. They are pretty self-explanatory.
If that is what you were trying to do, SG, I would suggest you proofread your posts more carefully before posting.
Your exact words were:
Quote:I don't hear "Lord" in any religion other than Christianity.
Piffka called your attention to the fact that Buddhists use "Lord" -- and, if this has escaped your notice, so do Jews.
Your statement "I don't hear "Lord" in any religion other than Christianity"...
...is absurd -- as I have now mentioned three times.
You can try to do a revision on these things, but keep in mind that we've got it all here in black, blue, and white.
Quote:By the way, none of my post reflect any anymosity or attitude that could be misconstrued as hateful or bigoted.
Like hell it couldn't.
Quote: However, I can say after reading the opposing views, that the same can't be said for them. Why would someone attack another person for having different views? That is what is frustrating. I think it is sad that a minority of Americans want to change the history of this country and the Constitution. It was based on something great...that is why we are facing the death of this country.
Good grief. Such drama!
We are not facing the death of this country.
Try to be more optimistic. I know you religious fanatics are an especially pessimistic lot, but you really gotta lighten up. Things ain't as bad as your gods want you to think.
In any case, you are correct that we should limit ourselves to attacking your ideas -- which I see as corrupting -- and not to attack you personally.
I'm happy you are here -- and sharing your thoughts, even though I feel so strongly antagonistic to them.
Keep posting.
We'll keep rebutting.
