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Why is sexual abuse of boys not taken seriously

 
 
2PacksAday
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 04:50 pm
@ossobuco,
..if only I would spell check it first....."opportunity"

And yes, that was a rather long way of saying bookmark...this is a tricky one, most of the anecdotes that come to mind, don't really fit exactly....but I do have a few that do.
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 06:10 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:
Agrote may have moved a little, if briefly, but then disappeared.


He flat out said that he was wrong about his view that consumption of child porn does no harm when faced with dispassionate arguments for it instead of insults. That meant a lot to me and made it worth the effort.
Your style wasn't unique in reaching him, to whatever extent he was actually reached. He said as much himself: I have drastically changed my stance regarding child porn, based on arguments from Robert (can't remember the surname), OCCOM BILL and others. I remain skeptical... but the fact remains that Shorteyes has never exhibited even a hint of Agrote's willingness to recognize his sickness and consider the ramifications of same.

And in returning to that thread; I noted that Shorteyes, while feeling bolstered by a partner in dementia, admitted his true desire was to have the age of consent between 12 and 14... contrary to what you let him slip by with here. Hell, even Deb took the boots to him in disgust.

Robert Gentel wrote:
If the views are so objectionable that they are worth insulting someone over, they are then so objectionable that they are worth trying to disabuse them of. I happen to think that one method works a lot better than the other.
We reasonably disagree, and your anecdotal example shows little preference.

Robert Gentel wrote:
Hell, even if you find them to be a lost cause, there might be others on the fence reading along that can be convinced by reason but that might be goaded along by insults.
Similarly, there may be others who may feel somewhat vidicated by the respect you offer the similarly demented. Further, there may be other victims who appreciate Set's bashing of same... as not every victim that enjoys the retribution is adept at delivering it.

Robert Gentel wrote:
Anyway, that's just my two cents on it. I don't want to turn this into a discussion on the merits of each approach, or be pushed towards trying to defend the particular individuals being insulted (which isn't my point either). I've got enough high horses to ride and want to keep this one on topic. I just think that a certain approach does better at keeping the discussion worthwhile than another and advocate for it.
I respectfully disagree. Each situation is different, and in the case of this piece of ****, I think it's equally important to demonstrate a rational disgust with his misogynistic ideas insofar as reducing the spread.

I've seen a number of others follow his mindset on preventing false accusations of rape being more important than the rape itself and it disgusts me to no end. I think it far more important for the potential sickos to be informed they're sick AND for their victims to know that most people think so, than it is to pretend they're demented thoughts are worthy of thoughtful consideration. In this, I think even "over the top" (as you see it) reactions serve a valid purpose.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 06:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Getting back on subject, I had sex with a 32 year old woman when I was 16.
I do not feel that it harmed me in any way. As a matter of fact,
I was walking around with a smile for a week


how would you have felt if agents of the collective found out,
and she had spent three years on legal limbo, spent $20+ k
to defend herself, ended up with community service, counseling,
was forever more on the sex offenders list....??
Would you be better off or worse off??

That is what a guy who had your experience is looking at in this "enlightened" age.
I 'd have DEFENDED mine, when I was 11 or now.





David
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 07:24 pm
@DrewDad,
Quote:
So basically, by continuing to derail the thread you're contributing to the "I hate Setanta" sentiment.


Here's a quarter punk, call somebody who gives a ****.

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Let it go, already. You've said your piece. Robert's said his piece. You will likely continue to disagree on who did what to whom, and the rest of us could give a damn.


Then don't read my posts. You showed up to make a comment about my post, and to whine about a discussion on the nature of discussions--thereby, prolonging the discussion on the nature of discussions. Get it? You're as much a part of the problem as either Craven or i.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 07:35 pm
I'm not dismssing any of the recent posters on any post, but you are, in your varied angers, shutting off a valued conversation. Princes of Araby, however you spell that. Please, open up new rooms for these arguments, and get back to Boomerang's question. Show some respect to Boomer. Nevermind Boomer, show some respect to the seriousness of the original discussion.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 07:37 pm
For anyone interested in or bothered by the discussion on the nature of discussions--it is germane here, thanks to Rapist Boy. RG claims that calling him that feeds into his martyr schtick. If it give him the warm fuzzies, then certainly there is nothing to complain about in my posts. As for others who read here, if anyone who is reading here is intelligent enough to understand the sentences being written, they're intelligent enough to make their own judgments about just how valid Rapist Boy's claims of martyrdom really are--which is to say, they're pure BS.

And it's germane because Rapist Boy is attempting to derail the thread with his idiotic and self-serving crap about the age of consent, about marital rape, about "freedom of expression" (that one cracks me up every time he trots it out), and any other number of perversions which he attempts to justify. Basically, his spiel is an old whore, and no amount of make-up and fancy clothing he puts on her will hide the fact.

Finally, someone here once opined that, in fact, Rapist Boy only comes here to lay his bullshit out there, see how it is picked apart and hone his argument for use with the less well-endowed--rhetorically speaking--when he starts his rant in real life. If that is so, we're all doing the world a disservice by ever responding to him at all--without regard to the MO of the member responding.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 07:38 pm
@Setanta,
Get a room, Set.
You are prevailing as the main derailer of one of the most serious threads we've had here in a long time.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 07:54 pm
@Setanta,
Goofy old lush, I can see that in calligraphy. And? Do you want me to insult you for dry drunkness? I'll pass.

Well, I won't add to this further. At least not for a while. I was hoping to see more on the original discussion. Apparently no one trying to follow this gets to talk after the boys have taken the thread to the skies, ala dramatica. Certainly no woman gets to make a darting remark.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 08:00 pm
@ossobuco,
I'll back off of that. Set wouldn't like me if I were a guy either.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 08:17 pm
We can only hope she has another bottle of cheap wine, and passes out soon.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 08:41 pm
@Setanta,
Talk about digression and ad hominems. Work it up, Set, start a whole thread about how horrible I am, but could you please stop this on this thread?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 08:44 pm
@ossobuco,
Ok, ok, I do see how hard it is to be quiet.

I hope we get back to the original subject that interested so many of us so deeply.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 08:50 pm
this thread effectively ended Sept 4.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 08:54 pm
@dyslexia,
I think I learned since then. I'm not at all in the mood to chase that down right now, but I remember there were relevant posts.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 09:00 pm
I love it that the ad at the bottom of my page is titled "fubar".

I went out to dinner and now my thread is FUBAR for sure.

That'll teach me to eat.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 09:52 pm
@Setanta,
how much further do you intend to take this, boss?

(i know, this is one of them ad hominemenem thingies rob bitches about)
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 09:54 pm
@Setanta,
I'll let this alone.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 10:16 pm
@Rockhead,
When someone accuses me of something, and i consider it unwarranted, i'll respond. In the case of veal bones there, i'm just sick of her alcoholic maundering. Usually, i just ignore her, but i'll be damned if i'll ignore her attempts to smear me. Perhaps she'll eventually come to ignore my posts which are not addressed to her, and we can avoid this sort of mess.
 

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