S Florida fans are giddy today after a big win against the hated Jets. Ted Ginn is vindicated and rookie Chad Henne is apparently the franchise quaterback. Who'd a thunk?
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spendius
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Mon 2 Nov, 2009 12:30 pm
@Ticomaya,
Thanks Tico. At the 5.02 mark why didn't No 53 face the other way and make an interception?
Thanks Tico. At the 5.02 mark why didn't No 53 face the other way and make an interception?
I guess because he's not that good.
I never played American football, so I can't speak from experience of playing the game. My understanding is that No. 53 is playing the receiver he is covering (as opposed to playing the ball), and trying to read him to gauge when the ball is coming. If he turns and tries to pick up the ball coming in, the guy he's covering might dart away from him and make a catch. He can't grab the receiver and feel him move, because that would be interference, so he has to keep his eyes on him. I'm not saying he played it correctly, because I think a good corner is able to see man and ball and make a play on the ball. In that play, No. 53 is a middle linebacker pulled out to cover the tight end, and it looks like he interfered with the receiver anyway.
I can't remember when I watched the last football game before I watched two yesterday - I'm guessing early nineties, if then. Anyway, much has changed in the programming in the meantime.
This time the screen was almost movie theater-ish. The commentators seemed to never take a breath and just watch, and it seemed a huge percentage of plays were shown in three camera angles fast fast fast, no time to stare folks. In the middle of all this we get this giant tv channel banner interplaying with it all just as I was trying to see where and how the ball landed in whatever fast replay. The commentators kept up a babble about past history, and perhaps ignored describing what was happening or what had just happened. They showed all six times so and so was sacked, or similar supposedly helpful flash replays. It all seemed rather hysteric in pace, probably affected by changes in movie going camerawork and cgi, a kind of community need for blasting imagery.
So we watched SF Indy and SD Oakland (better than expected) and then the Phillies Yankees series game (less frenetic than the football). That was the most fun because I got to see what all those players I'd become acquainted with on fantasy baseball looked like and how their names were pronounced, or mispronounced as the case may be. There was some of that with the football too. So that's Antonio Gates and Sproles and Crabtree, etc. Fascinating to watch Singletary.
On the baseball players, many of them were lankier than I expected. Cool to watch Mariano River in action - also, Johnny Damon.
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spendius
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Mon 2 Nov, 2009 02:18 pm
@Ticomaya,
Thanks again Tico.
Is there a possibility No 53 allowed the catch. In my younger manifestation I would have caught that ball and run a TD to the other end.
There is obvious interference at the down so I assume interference is allowed in some cases and not in others. Is that correct?
There is obvious interference at the down so I assume interference is allowed in some cases and not in others. Is that correct?
The defender is permitted to make contact with the receiver in the first 5 yards from scrimmage, but thereafter must keep his hands off.
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Pass Interference
1. There shall be no interference with a forward pass thrown from behind the line. The restriction for the passing team starts with the snap. The restriction on the defensive team starts when the ball leaves the passer’s hand. Both restrictions end when the ball is touched by anyone.
2. The penalty for defensive pass interference is an automatic first down at the spot of the foul. If interference is in the end zone, it is first down for the offense on the defense’s 1-yard line. If previous spot was inside the defense’s 1-yard line, penalty is half the distance to the goal line.
3. The penalty for offensive pass interference is 10 yards from the previous spot.
4. It is pass interference by either team when any player movement beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders the progress of an eligible player of such player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched. Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched.
Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
(a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch.
(b) Playing through the back of a receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.
(c) Grabbing a receiver’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass.
(d) Extending an arm across the body of a receiver thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, regardless of whether the defender is playing the ball.
(e) Cutting off the path of a receiver by making contact with him without playing the ball.
(f) Hooking a receiver in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the receiver’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving.
Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:
(a) Incidental contact by a defender’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.
(b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.
(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.
(d) Laying a hand on a receiver that does not restrict the receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.
(e) Contact by a defender who has gained position on a receiver in an attempt to catch the ball.
Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.
(b) Initiating contact with a defender by shoving or pushing off thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass.
(c) Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.
Actions that do not constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
(a) Incidental contact by a receiver’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball or neither player is looking for the ball.
(b) Inadvertent touching of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.
(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the ball is clearly uncatchable by involved players.
Note 1: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.
Note 2: Defensive players have as much right to the path of the ball as eligible offensive players.
Note 3: Pass interference for both teams ends when the pass is touched.
Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage, but defensive actions such as tackling a receiver can still result in a 5-yard penalty for defensive holding, if accepted.
Note 5: Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation, defensive pass interference is not to be called for action on the end man on the line of scrimmage, or an eligible receiver behind the line of scrimmage who is aligned or in motion more than one yard outside the end man on the line. Defensive holding, such as tackling a receiver, still can be called and result in a 5-yard penalty and automatic first down from the previous spot, if accepted. Offensive pass interference rules still apply.
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panzade
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Mon 2 Nov, 2009 02:32 pm
@spendius,
The danger for the defender spendi, is that the receiver could take off at a different angle and the defender, with his back to the receiver will be lost. Having played football I know that the quarterback and receiver have an advantage over the defender. They know where they are going to meet up. The defender doesn't.
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Ticomaya
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Mon 2 Nov, 2009 02:36 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
So I assume now that receivers are designated with special protection like goalkeepers.
Yes, in a sense, but receivers can be called for "offensive interference" if they interfere with a defender going for an interception.
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Can any player make a TD?
As far as I'm aware, yes.
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realjohnboy
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Mon 2 Nov, 2009 03:37 pm
Repeating the headline from yesterday evening: Miz Cowdoc will win Week #8 with an astonishing record of 12-1. Maporsche went 11-2 and McGentrix came in at 10-3. Still one game to go tonight. We all have New Orleans tonight vs Atlanta.
Andy/Clubber and Bella Morte are resting for a few days in San Antonio before heading west. Thursday night show in El Paso followed by Friday in Scottsdale and Saturday in LA.
Thanks McG and Tico and panz. I'm picking it up slowly.
But the R can dart all he wants away from the D. The ball's flight is what matters and I think that No 53 could have caught the ball had he watched it.
Would it hinder the offense if the ball was white? It could have ads on it as well as being easier for spectators to follow.
Andy's website says Mardi Gras. I googled and found Club Mardi Gras at 8040 E McDowell Road (480-970-5707). Their website is not too useful. If you call you would want to ask about the Bella Morte show with Ego Likeness (a west coast band, I think).
I have never seen them perform live. My bedtime is about 11 pm at latest. I suggested, back when it was more of a goth band, that they do a matinee. It turns out goths don't go out during the day.
By heck you have some long roads over there. How far does W McDowell Road go?
Don't get me (or particularly Osso) started on this topic, Spendius. God (or whomever) did not intend that Phoenix or its suburb, Scottsdale, ever be built. It's in the middle of the desert, damn it. But Phoenix, before the real estate bust was one of the fastest growing cities in the U.S. And the design concept was: urban sprawl is good.
(For your homework, do a google search on "sick as a parrot")
