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@Green Witch,

Green Witch wrote:

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McCarthy used tactics that would make the KGB proud.

Well, he sincerely TRIED; he did his best
in the fight to resist communist efforts to enslave the world,
so that Americans can live in freedom, but he coud not be
anywhere near the quality of the NKVD or the KGB.
He deserves credit for doing what he was able to DO.
He put his heart into his defense of our freedom.
He has my gratitude for that.

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What better way to undermine the freedom of Democracy
than for a person in power to persecute those he might disagree with,
and use lies when truth does not fit the agenda.

What better way to undermine the freedom of Democracy
is to fight the way that liberals advocate, to wit:
to fight the war in a tender-hearted way,
with covert love and sneaking admiration for our commie enemies.

When we were fighting the NATIONAL Socialists and the Japs,
there was absolutely nothing rong with the attitude of the liberals.
Thay were whole-heartedly in the war for unconditional surrender
of the nazis and the Japs; this was right; this was good.
That is what we (or ANY country) needs to do:
support its Army n Navy with resolute enthusiasm !

Unfortunately, in our war of resistance against the INTERNATIONAL socialists,
the liberals were nowhere near as enthusiastic, with many of them
making excuses and apologizing for the commies.
We did not have that problem in the war against the nazis.
In contrast with the war against the nazis,
in the war against the commies,
liberals' support was mediocre and grudging, at best.

It was the sad, tragic fact that during the Kennedy-Johnson years,
the following was true, not a joke:
we used to lament that Kennedy policy was neutrality toward our enemies (the Reds),
friendship toward the "neutrals" and hostility toward our friends.

I fully expected to LOSE the war and see the commies win,
because the political leadership did not have their hearts in it.
If anything, in their private feelings, thay seemed leaning left toward the enemy.
Joe McCarthy was innocent of this.
The ZEAL that was manifested against the nazis VANISHED.
It was nowhere to be seen, but we saw it in Sen. McCarthy, may he be blessed.

I say this without rancor. These r just my historical observations.
The war is over, as of Christmas of 1991; we won.
Little gratitude to the liberals; some of them miss the commies.
Some of the young liberals with whom I argued,
openly said that it woud not be such a bad thing if we lost n the commies won.

David

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@panzade,

panzade wrote:

David seems to have a crush on Ann Coulter
who has been working overtime to resurrect the hero Joe McCarthy.
Among other talking points Coulter has brought up:

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# "Liberals have a preternatural gift for striking a position on the side of treason."
# "Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy."
# "Liberals attack their country and then go into diarrhea panic if anyone criticizes them."
# "Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant. Fifty years of treason hasn't slowed them down."
# "Whether they are rooting for the atheistic regimes of Stalin and Mao, satanic suicide bombers and terrorists, or the Central Park rapists, liberals always take the side of savages against civilization."

Yes; I love Ann Coulter.
I have met her a few times.

I don 't agree with the above quote that:
"Whenever the nation is under attack,
from within or without, liberals side with the enemy."

I disagree, in that this does not apply to the liberals' attitude
during the Second World War against the nazis and the Japs.
In THAT war, the liberals were 100% good red,white n blue Americans.
There was nothing rong with THEM!
That ended on August 15, 1945 when the Japs surrendered.
Thay were on our side,
as long as Uncle Joe Stalin was on our side.

David

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And, David, I am sure that you know that in the FDR administration, there were many fellow travelers who opined that the Soviet Union was just a wonderful country that was evolving--"I have seen the future" someone from the FDR administration said after visiting Russia. Yes, the liberals loved Uncle Joe and the unsealed files in the Kremlin do indeed skewer many so called American liberals. Many of the left wing believers in the 20's anmd 30's lived to back up mother Russia( the Soviets) even though we were in a cold war with them until 1990 when they imploded!

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Drew Dad apparently does not know that:

With the opening of the KGB archives and the release of the VENONA intercepts - decoded Soviet KGB and GRU traffic - it has been proved that McCarthy was absolutely right about the extensive Soviet penetration of the U.S. government in all the most sensitive sections and its danger to America. According to the KGB archives the NKVD had 221 agents in the Roosevelt administration in April 1941 and the Soviet military GRU probably had a like number. He was proved right that the Communist Party, U.S.A., was an arm of the Soviet intelligence apparatus and the Soviet Union considered the US as their "main enemy." His liberal critics in academe and the mainstream media, who denied there was Communist subversion and made excuses for it, were proved absolutely wrong! This should have discredited the liberal ideology and those who mouthed it. Because the left had no answer or effective reply to the challenge McCarthy posed, they engaged in personal destruction - they smeared and demonized McCarthy because he was truth.
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Drew Dad, may, of course, read the Venona Intercepts.

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Yeah; Roosevelt said that: "some of my best friends are communists."

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@genoves,

genoves wrote:

Drew Dad apparently does not know that:

With the opening of the KGB archives and the release of the VENONA intercepts - decoded Soviet KGB and GRU traffic - it has been proved that McCarthy was absolutely right about the extensive Soviet penetration of the U.S. government in all the most sensitive sections and its danger to America. According to the KGB archives the NKVD had 221 agents in the Roosevelt administration in April 1941 and the Soviet military GRU probably had a like number. He was proved right that the Communist Party, U.S.A., was an arm of the Soviet intelligence apparatus and the Soviet Union considered the US as their "main enemy." His liberal critics in academe and the mainstream media, who denied there was Communist subversion and made excuses for it, were proved absolutely wrong! This should have discredited the liberal ideology and those who mouthed it. Because the left had no answer or effective reply to the challenge McCarthy posed, they engaged in personal destruction - they smeared and demonized McCarthy because he was truth.
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Drew Dad, may, of course, read the Venona Intercepts.

Yes.
I don 't remember any liberals having apologized for that.

On one occasion, I was in the presence of Gus Hall.
It occurred to me that it woud be very, very ez to take him out,
like pulling down a rotten apple from a tree,
but that was not my mission. I left him unmolested.

Many years later, I was pleased to read that he was still alive
to witness the fall of communism; he saw that communism was rejected in Russia.
I took pleasure in that. I was glad that he was around to see that.

David

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They wouldn't apoligize, David. I am sure that you remember how many times the word "MCCarthyism" was used from the fifties until the Verona intercepts were made public. If they apoligized, that would cast aspersions on every scumbag Communist they defended with the cry of "McCarthyism">

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In keeping with the title of this thread. I have now put genoves on my ignore list. He is the only one on it. The reasons should be obvious from his inane habit of cutting and pasting everybodies posts. Usually, without comment. I will not miss him.

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@Intrepid,

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I have now put genoves on my ignore list.

I would ask you to reconsider. If the folks who eventually revealed McCarthy's total disregard for the truth had put him on ignore, we'd be living in Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four Amerika

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False analogy, Pan--people like the Possum and GunSickDavid are just internet trolls, who cannot affect your life unless you let it happen. McCarthy ruined the careers and lives of many, many people--ditto that little **** Nixon and HUAC.

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@panzade,

panzade wrote:

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I have now put genoves on my ignore list.

I would ask you to reconsider. If the folks who eventually revealed McCarthy's total
disregard for the truth had put him on ignore, we'd be living in Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four Amerika

What a horrible insult to Sen. McCarthy!
He was FOR FREEDOM.
Therefore, he was AGAINST communists.
He favored the decent people.

Good Individualist Americans were safe; hopefully, the commies were not.

David

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@panzade,

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False analogy,

sure it is....stretched the analogy to its breaking point....however my point is this: if you put the "Marx" Brothers on ignore you embolden them, you give them a sense that their viewpoints have prevailed...verstehen?

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@OmSigDAVID,

Om

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He was FOR FREEDOM.
Therefore, he was AGAINST communists.

I think you believe:

he was AGAINST communists, therefore he was FOR FREEDOM

unfortunately he stomped all over FREEDOM in his battle against communists...would have made a great CIA director though Very Happy

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@panzade,

I gotta tell u the truth:
when Tailgunner Joe was on the job in the 1950s,
I really felt 100% free !

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I gotta tell u the truth:
when Tailgunner Joe was on the job in the 1950s,
I really felt 100% free !

sure you did! You were 14 years old!
I felt 100% free when I was 14....except that dang junior high I had to attend every day Very Happy

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@OmSigDAVID,

Wait. We're discussing feelings? Let's all get around a campfire and sing Kumbaya....

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Damn . . . you beat me to the punch . . . i've been waiting days to use that Kumbaya line . . .

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@panzade,

I understand . . . but it's a matter of scale, and of effect . . . no amount of ranting by the gun nuts and the conservatives does any harm at all to my freedom . . .

Now you are on my ignore list!

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