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are the liberals sad about Obama?

 
 
shewolfnm
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 09:38 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

Cowboy up


cowboy up?


Um. Seriously.
How old are you?

If you are over 25, terms like cowboy up should be out of your vocabulary.......



KOW-boy up.
good god that is the dumbest most pointless saying on the planet right now. But, I guess to the doe eyed , low IQ, average american.........

Yeeeahhhhaww . AMERICA ROCKS!! YEAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!







Go play with your truck nuts Rolling Eyes
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 09:45 pm
@shewolfnm,
Quote:
good god that is the dumbest most pointless saying on the planet right now. But, I guess to the doe eyed , low IQ, average american.........


on the other hand "put your big girl panties on" is my current favorite.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 10:05 pm
@Butrflynet,
Interesting comment, butrflynet. You believe that only moderate initiatives are possible?

Quote:
(I) posted on the Obama '08 thread several times about how disappointed the far left was going to be when they figured out that it was their wishful thinking that was trying to pull Obama further left than he actually is.

The far left persists on trying to pull him and the country further left at the expense of any chance we have at succeeding with the moderate initiatives currently obtainable while he is in office and we have the majority in Congress.


dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 10:12 pm
@msolga,
I ain't no goddam librul, but I would be labelled such by politically ignorant Americans, and I can't say I am disappointed as such.

I AM disappointed about the non-release of the torture photos etc....but I had always seen Obama as centre/centre right on some stuff, and centre on others.

I am happier with him than I have been with a US president in a long time.

At least he has brains and nuance and thoughtfulness.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 10:15 pm
@dlowan,
Well hey, I'm not a Liberal, nor an American, either ... & I agree with you, for what it's worth. At this early stage of his presidency, anyway.

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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 10:43 pm
Obama to extend benefits to gay workers

White House officials say president will announce decision Wednesday

Quote:
WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama, under growing criticism for not seeking to end the ban on openly gay men and women in the military, is extending benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees.
Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 11:05 pm
@Debra Law,
It's a step in the right direction.
rabel22
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 11:11 pm
I only voted for him because Hillery was defeated. I dont like him because he has renigned on most of his campaign promises. The next one will be on health care where he will do as he did for the banks. He will give the established big insurance companies billions of our tax monies so the ceo's of the HMO's can pay themselves huge bonuses for screwing the citizens of this country. Single payer is the way to go but already congress and the president have decided that it might hurt business and a little citizen like me cant be counted on to support thier bid for office. Big business controls our government through political contributions. No matter who we vote for they are controlled by big business.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 11:49 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

It's a step in the right direction.


After several giant steps backwards (as chronicled by Glenn Greenwald on his Salon blog), this is one tiny baby step forward. Unfortunately, I don't know if President Obama would be doing this if he wasn't currently facing the withdrawal of support from several major human rights organizations. Thus far, I haven't really witnessed the promised "change we can believe in," but rather a continuation of many despicable Bush policies that enraged so many of us.
Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 11:53 pm
@Debra Law,
I know. That's what makes my support for him lukewarm.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 12:37 am
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

I know. That's what makes my support for him lukewarm.


I had to go back and find Obama's PROMISE with respect to equal rights and here is his open letter from February 28, 2008:

I’m running for President to build an America that lives up to our founding promise of equality for all " a promise that extends to our gay brothers and sisters. It’s wrong to have millions of Americans living as second-class citizens in this nation. And I ask for your support in this election so that together we can bring about real change for all LGBT Americans.

Equality is a moral imperative. That’s why throughout my career, I have fought to eliminate discrimination against LGBT Americans. In Illinois, I co-sponsored a fully inclusive bill that prohibited discrimination on the basis of both sexual orientation and gender identity, extending protection to the workplace, housing, and places of public accommodation. In the U.S. Senate, I have co-sponsored bills that would equalize tax treatment for same-sex couples and provide benefits to domestic partners of federal employees. And as president, I will place the weight of my administration behind the enactment of the Matthew Shepard Act to outlaw hate crimes and a fully inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act to outlaw workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples " whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage.

Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) " a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I have also called for us to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and I have worked to improve the Uniting American Families Act so we can afford same-sex couples the same rights and obligations as married couples in our immigration system.

The next president must also address the HIV/AIDS epidemic. When it comes to prevention, we do not have to choose between values and science. While abstinence education should be part of any strategy, we also need to use common sense. We should have age-appropriate sex education that includes information about contraception. We should pass the JUSTICE Act to combat infection within our prison population. And we should lift the federal ban on needle exchange, which could dramatically reduce rates of infection among drug users. In addition, local governments can protect public health by distributing contraceptives.

We also need a president who’s willing to confront the stigma " too often tied to homophobia " that continues to surround HIV/AIDS. I confronted this stigma directly in a speech to evangelicals at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church, and will continue to speak out as president.

That is where I stand on the major issues of the day. But having the right positions on the issues is only half the battle. The other half is to win broad support for those positions. And winning broad support will require stepping outside our comfort zone. If we want to repeal DOMA, repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and implement fully inclusive laws outlawing hate crimes and discrimination in the workplace, we need to bring the message of LGBT equality to skeptical audiences as well as friendly ones " and that’s what I’ve done throughout my career. I brought this message of inclusiveness to all of America in my keynote address at the 2004 Democratic convention. I talked about the need to fight homophobia when I announced my candidacy for President, and I have been talking about LGBT equality to a number of groups during this campaign " from local LGBT activists to rural farmers to parishioners at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, where Dr. Martin Luther King once preached.

Just as important, I have been listening to what all Americans have to say. I will never compromise on my commitment to equal rights for all LGBT Americans. But neither will I close my ears to the voices of those who still need to be convinced. That is the work we must do to move forward
together. It is difficult. It is challenging. And it is necessary.

Americans are yearning for leadership that can empower us to reach for what we know is possible. I believe that we can achieve the goal of full equality for the millions of LGBT people in this country. To do that, we need leadership that can appeal to the best parts of the human spirit. Join with me, and I will provide that leadership. Together, we will achieve real equality for all
Americans, gay and straight alike.


Barack Obama

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 01:24 am
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:
Quote:
I know I am. I'm thinking Obama is becoming another Clinton republican-lite.

To me, personal freedom from the interference of government
is pretty close to being near all that matters. Government serves us well (domesticly)
to the extent of the alacrity with which it gets the hell out of the way.
I 'm not an anarchist, but I m almost kinda near that.

For that reason, altho (predictably) I disapprove of his personnel apointments,
I 've gotta admit that I thought that it woud have gone downhill FASTER by now.

I suspect that the most intense efforts to screw us out of our freedom
will arise from below within the last 6 months b4 the next Congressional elections.

I suppose that is a left handed compliment to Obama.
I thought that he ' d be worse faster.






David
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 06:19 am
@shewolfnm,



shewolf likes truck nuts... she must be the #1 tea bag recipient at her local truck stop.

Enjoy your herpes!


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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 06:21 am
@panzade,



panzade: swing and a miss, swing and a miss, swing and a miss... sit your ass down.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 06:38 am
Obama was never my choice, i consider him center or center-right, and i would have preferred John Edwards. I also understand that Edwards would have been far less likely to have been elected--oh well. Obama is not far enough to the left for my tastes, but is certainly preferable to the disaster which would have occurred if McCain had been elected.
Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 06:51 am
I think we should have elected Hillary and always will... but I like Obama, I think he's doing an average job which putshimhead and shoulders overthelast assholes, and I think Mccain/Palin would have been a disaster, so what are yu gonna do?

Personally I think America has lost the will to be "all it can be" and politicians on both sides of the aisle, along with the citizenry, are merely fiddling while rome burns.

I do not believe we will ever be in the position of power we once enjoyed (?) again... and I'm okay with that...as a matter of fact it would be a relief not to be the policemen of the world and just go about our business taking care of our own....
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 06:52 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Obama was never my choice, i consider him center or center-right, and i would have preferred John Edwards... Obama is not far enough to the left for my tastes...


Many folks feel the same way you do.

If McCain had been elected, I would be talking about how he was never my choice...

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rabel22
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 11:44 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
AMEN!!!!!!!!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 11:46 am



Obama is turning out to be a lame duck president quicker than any president in American history.

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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 01:49 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

It's a step in the right direction.


Yep.


One can always hope he'll feel able to be gutsier in a second term.
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