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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2022 09:28 pm
@oralloy,
pikes, yes. the murder weapon of choice, the AR15, no way.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2022 10:03 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Nowhere does it mention guns.

Guns are considered a type of arm.


MontereyJack wrote:
Nowhere does it say all kinds of arms are necessarily available to anyone. All it says is that people must have access to some kind of arms, no particular one mentioned.

The Heller ruling says that we have the right to have enough firepower for effective self defense.

The Heller ruling also says that we have the right to have any arm that there is no justification for outlawing.

That second one is why your laws against pistol grips are civil liberties violations, as there is no justification for outlawing pistol grips.


MontereyJack wrote:
Therefore, if citizens have access to ONE kind of arms, just one of any kind, the conditions of the second amendment are met. So it is perfectly legal to restrict outlaw, or ban guns outright, as long as you provide an alternative.

There is no justification for such a restriction. Therefore it is a violation of people's civil liberties.


MontereyJack wrote:
I propose the pike, the 8 or `10 foot long thrusting spear that was the primary foot soldier's weapon for most of two thousand years,, including centuries after gunpowder came in...

That would prevent people from having enough firepower for effective self defense. Therefore it is a violation of people's civil liberties.


MontereyJack wrote:
So putlawing AR15s is a perfectly constitutional way to start restoring sanity to a country overflowing with homicidal gun loonies.

The lack of any justification for outlawing them means that outlawing AR-15s is a civil liberties violation.

Violating people's civil liberties for no reason has nothing to do with restoring sanity.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2022 10:04 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
and no one except you in your fever dreams has tried to outlaw pistol grips.

That is incorrect. I have never tried to outlaw pistol grips.

But here's a post where you cheered for a progressive effort to outlaw pistol grips on semi-auto long guns for no reason:
https://able2know.org/topic/203766-209#post-5227079

And here is a more recent effort by progressives to outlaw pistol grips on semi-auto long guns for no reason:
https://able2know.org/topic/131081-592#post-7245585


MontereyJack wrote:
See my previous post for the true facts.

Your previous post was just a proposal to violate people's civil liberties for no reason.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2022 10:05 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
pikes, yes.

That would violate the right of people to have enough firepower for effective self defense.


MontereyJack wrote:
the murder weapon of choice, the AR15, no way.

AR-15s are not the murder weapon of choice.

The fact that there is no justification for outlawing them means that people have the right to have them.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2022 11:16 pm
@oralloy,
Your nonsensical argument about pistol grips is rather like going to a movie and getting a bag of popcorn and saying you're not eating the corn, you're just eating the salt and butter.No,you're eating opcorn. No, the laws ban guns, not pistol grips.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2022 11:23 pm
@MontereyJack,
Your word games are silly. Banning a gun whenever it has a pistol grip on it, is banning pistol grips on that gun.

And these silly word games do not change the fact that there is no justification for such a ban.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2022 11:23 pm
@oralloy,
Every time someone uses an ar15 to sahoot up a school or a store or a church, there is justification for bsanning them. Since you don't think so, it simply means that you're letting sociopathy show, and for all the world to see and be revolted.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2022 11:26 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Every time someone uses an ar15 to sahoot up a school or a store or a church, there is justification for banning them.

No there isn't. Not when the AR-15 is just an ordinary hunting rifle, and many other ordinary hunting rifles would be just as deadly if used for the same purposes.

Using the same bad logic that you just displayed, every time someone deliberately drove a car into a crowd, that would be justification for outlawing that make and model of car.


MontereyJack wrote:
Since you don't think so, it simply means that you're letting sociopathy show, and for all the world to see and be revolted.

Not at all. It simply means that I am relying on facts and logic.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2022 11:30 pm
@oralloy,
do stop with the dumbassery. it's the gun noy y==the grip. sonce you persistently mistake the part for the whole, I don't think anyone in the world takes your arguments serously. And I did read2A closely, and it's obvious that SCOTUS blew it badly in Heller, with its ludicrous conservative wild-eyes. Someoen iss just as dead run thru with a pike as they are shot with an ar-15, sl a pike is all we need and all 2A would actually require, I'm right, you're wrong. What a surprise <cynical>.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2022 11:45 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
do stop with the dumbassery.

I do not share the opinion that facts and logic are dumbassery.


MontereyJack wrote:
it's the gun not the grip. since you persistently mistake the part for the whole,

Your word games are silly. Banning a gun whenever it has a pistol grip on it, is banning pistol grips on that gun.


MontereyJack wrote:
I don't think anyone in the world takes your arguments serously.

"Appeal to the crowd" is a logical fallacy.


MontereyJack wrote:
And I did read2A closely, and it's obvious that SCOTUS blew it badly in Heller, with its ludicrous conservative wild-eyes.

I doubt that you really want to go there.

They did in fact get Heller wrong. The Second Amendment actually says that we have the right to have grenades, bazookas, and full-auto weapons.

Do let me know when you are ready to let the entire nation have access to true machine guns. Cool


MontereyJack wrote:
Someoen iss just as dead run thru with a pike as they are shot with an ar-15, sl a pike is all we need and all 2A would actually require,

Under Heller we have the right to enough firepower for effective self defense.

Under the Second Amendment we have the right to have weapons that are appropriate for repelling a foreign invasion.

Either way, a pike is not a sufficient weapon.


MontereyJack wrote:
I'm right, you're wrong. What a surprise <cynical>.

The Second Amendment says otherwise.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2022 11:50 pm
@oralloy,
I don't share that opinion either. However, since what you call faCTS AND LOGIC ARE MERELY BLATANTLY BIASED OPINION AND PURE FANTASY, THAT DOESN;T APPLY.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2022 11:52 pm
@oralloy,
and it's not a logical fallact when the crowd is right,
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2022 12:20 am
@MontereyJack,
That is incorrect. An appeal to the crowd is always a logical fallacy.

Claiming that the crowd is right is a commission of said fallacy.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2022 12:23 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
what you call faCTS AND LOGIC ARE MERELY BLATANTLY BIASED OPINION AND PURE FANTASY,

That is incorrect. I have reliable links to back up my facts, and reliable arguments to back up my logic.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2022 01:27 am
Colorado Springs shooter had allegedly threatened his mother with a bomb. Why could he still get a gun?
Quote:
Anderson Lee Aldrich lived in a second amendment sanctuary, and neither police nor family triggered the state’s red flag law
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2022 05:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,

the short answer --

fREeDuMb...
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2022 04:10 pm
@Region Philbis,
I do not share the left's disdain for civil liberties.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2022 04:12 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The Guardian wrote:
Colorado Springs shooter had allegedly threatened his mother with a bomb. Why could he still get a gun?

Because he was never convicted of any crime.


The Guardian wrote:
Anderson Lee Aldrich lived in a second amendment sanctuary, and neither police nor family triggered the state's red flag law

Red flag laws are unconstitutional. They violate people's right to due process.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2022 05:38 pm
@oralloy,
no they aren't and no they don't. if anything, they are too hard to get to keep the dangerous loons away from the guns they shouldn't have. coorado shooter shows that.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2022 09:45 pm
As the NYT put it: "AFTER 3 MASS SHOOTINGS, A THANKSGIVING WITH 14 EMPTY CHAIRS" Happy Holidays.
 

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