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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
BillW
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2022 03:42 pm
@MontereyJack,
If Trump's sedition had of succeeded or a Right Wing take over of the USA is successful, not only will assault weapons be banned; all high powered weapons will be banned! These RW people are not stupid - all Amendments and the Constitution will be down the drain..............

PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2022 09:40 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing the source for this claim.
Look for the "Polizeiaufgabengesetz" in the 16 states ("Länder").
The Federal Police ("Bundespolizei") and the customs ("Zoll") have similar laws.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2022 10:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Look for the "Polizeiaufgabengesetz" in the 16 states ("Länder").
For my state it's regulated in PolNRW § 9 (FN21)
Quote:
7) Die Erhebung personenbezogener Daten zu unbestimmten oder noch nicht bestimmbaren Zwecken ist unzulässig.[The questioning of personal data for undefined or not yet definable purposes is not permitted.]
vikorr
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2022 04:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Pretty sure that sort of statement relates to standardised AI interrogation of data (ie. automated surveillance of anyone and everyone, or similar interroragations that occur without actually investigating a crime), as your example is very similarly worded to the below (using google translate):

https://www.gesetze-bayern.de/Content/Document/BayPAG-53

Article 53
General rules of data storage and other data processing
(1) The police can store personal data in files or files and process them in other ways, insofar as this is permitted by law.

(2) 1 Storage and other processing may only take place for the purpose for which this data was collected. 2 Processing, including renewed storage and modification, as well as transmission for another police purpose, is permissible if the police are permitted to collect the data for this purpose or if this is otherwise specifically permitted.

(3) 1Data that has been collected without the conditions for its collection having been met may only be processed further if
1.this is necessary to avert an imminent danger to a significant legal interest referred to in Article 11a Paragraph 2 No. 1 or No. 2 or to public goods whose threat affects the basis of human existence and
2.the independent body set up for this purpose or the competent court has released them because after their examination
a)no content is affected for which the testimony could be refused according to §§ 53, 53a StPO, and
b)the data cannot be assigned to the core area of ​​private life or a relationship of trust with other persons subject to professional secrecy.
2 With regard to the decision according to sentence 1 number 2, Art. 41 para. 5 sentences 4 to 7 apply accordingly.

(4) The police may always process the following basic data of a person in order to determine the identity of the person:
surnames,
first names,
maiden names,
other names such as nicknames and other spellings of names,
Gender,
Date of birth,
Place of birth,
birth state,
current nationality and previous nationalities,
current whereabouts and previous whereabouts,
home address,
date of death as well

(5) 1The duration of storage is to be limited to what is necessary. 2 Deadlines must be set for automated files by which it will be checked at the latest whether the storage of data is still necessary (test dates). 3 Examination dates or retention periods must be specified for non-automated files and files. 4 The following must be taken into account:
1.the fact that it is data that belongs to special categories within the meaning of Art. 30 Para. 2,
2.the circumstance as to whether the data is based on facts or estimates within the meaning of Article 30 (3),
3.the different categories of data subjects within the meaning of Art. 30 Para. 4,
4.the storage purpose and
5.Type and significance of the reason for storage.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2022 05:13 am
@vikorr,
I have no idea why you are "pretty sure" - where did you study/teach German Police Law?


But:
a) your quoted law is from Bavaria - my quote is from North Rhine-Westphalia,
b) the law is not a 'police execution law' but - as the title says
"General rules of data storage and other data processing" - I quoted from our police law "Police Act of the State of North Rhine-Westphalia (PolG NRW)".

But as said above: all states have similar laws (although the Bavarian is isn't liberal at all)

Quote:
Art. 12
Duty to provide information
1When questioned by the police, a person is obliged to give his or her surname, first name, date and place of birth, home address and nationality if it can be assumed that he or she can provide relevant information that is necessary for the fulfilment of a specific police task.
2The person is only obliged to provide further information to the police if he or she is legally obliged to act.
3The person may be stopped for the duration of the questioning.

Law on the Tasks and Powers of the Bavarian Police Force (Police Tasks Act - PAG)
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2022 06:27 am

https://iili.io/XbtZZl.jpg
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2022 12:47 pm
@Region Philbis,
A LOT OF TRUTH ABOUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT, AND IT'S NOT WHAT SCOTUS AND THE NRA SAY IT IS
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2022 06:19 pm

WTF are they waiting for?

https://iili.io/Xpn9bR.jpg
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jun, 2022 04:54 am

https://iili.io/XyKGb2.jpg
Region Philbis
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Jun, 2022 12:32 pm

Polling is clear: Americans want gun control
(vox)
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jun, 2022 01:36 pm
@Region Philbis,
England may have its own football team but is not a country, in that it is not a sovereign state as recognised by the United Nations.

The country is the United Kingdom, otherwise why single out England?

What's so different about Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland?

Gun control worked there too.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jun, 2022 05:09 am

https://iili.io/hnubVf.jpg
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hightor
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jun, 2022 08:09 am
Our "shining city on a hill"...

https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*wBV8NHBRrBr8tWQAjHw_Sw.png

gva

vikorr
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jun, 2022 03:31 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
]In Germany, the police may only carry out checks on persons with concrete justification.

Walter Hinteler wrote:
Art. 12
Duty to provide information
1When questioned by the police, a person is obliged to give his or her surname, first name, date and place of birth, home address and nationality if it can be assumed that he or she can provide relevant information that is necessary for the fulfilment of a specific police task.
2The person is only obliged to provide further information to the police if he or she is legally obliged to act.
3The person may be stopped for the duration of the questioning.

Uh Walter - the two quotes aren't related:
- The first quote you talk about limitations on police checks (and a check on their computer system is a check)
- the second quote relates to limitations on what a stopped person must provide. It doesn't make comment on 'police can only carry out checks on persons with concrete justification'

Perhaps your original quote was simply poor wording (the use of the word 'checks'), or perhaps it exists but you got the source wrong. But then, that is why I questioned it - because it would be a highly unusual limitation on police investigative abilities.

In any event. It isn't a big deal. It was more a matter of curiosity on my part.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2022 04:22 am

DUCKS > PEOPLE

https://iili.io/hx4xbR.jpg


vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2022 06:16 am
@Region Philbis,
On a side note - I've always said that if Ducks didn't have the unfortunate knack of being so tasty, a duck would have the perfect life on this planet:
- you get to fly, which is the coolest thing
- when you get tired of that, you can just float on water; and
- you have a buffet swimming beneath you (have you ever seen a skinny duck?)
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 05:07 am

GOP senator Cynthia Lummis U-turns on gun legislation stance after being flooded
with calls from constituents demanding action to stop mass shootings

(businessinsider)

#DoSomething
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 05:55 pm

Mathew McConaughey On Gun Reform --



https://iili.io/hRCSZF.jpg




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Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2022 07:10 am
Stupid question. But wouldn’t it make more sense not to let bad guys have guns in the first place?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2022 08:56 am
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:

Stupid question. But wouldn’t it make more sense not to let bad guys have guns in the first place?


You are right, it is. Murder is highly illegal, yet somehow, criminals continue to do it. It's almost as if bad guys don't care about the laws.


 

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