Guns: how much longer will it take ....

Now that is remarkably dumb. it's never been the grip, it's always been the weapon. cut the fantasy.

not parallel. dumb idea, and people have spent a century makeing cars much safer, and some notably volvo, are on a crusade to make zero fartALITIES A YEAR FROM THEIR CARS. gUN MAKERS AND BUYERS BY CONTRAST HAVE SPENT THAT CENTURY MAKING GUNS more LETHAL. damn capslock key.

Wrong. Laws that outlaw pistol grips are about outlawing pistol grips.

Sure it is. You claim that only sociopaths would accept something that causes lots of deaths.

Car accidents cause lots of deaths, and normal people accept cars just fine.



Not at all. It shows quite clearly that you are wrong about normal people not accepting something that causes deaths.



The fact remains, normal people are happy to accept cars despite them causing actual deaths.

This is all beside the point however, since you cannot establish that pistol grips cause a single death.

CAR are extrordinarily useful and indeed necessary for much of modern life. you can use your car to drive to the grocery store to get food to keep you and your family alive. you can only use your gun to rob the grocery store and kill the stock boy who gets in yhour way. not parallel.L.

Not necessary at all. People can use public transportation if cars are outlawed.



You can use your gun to hunt and provide food.

You can also use your gun to protect yourself if someone tries to harm you.



Only in the sense that guns are much more useful than cars.

gthe laws are explicitly about banning weapons.

Wrong again. Laws that ban pistol grips are about banning pistol grips.

I know that progressives really dislike reality, but reality is there all the same.

false equivalence. no one is trying to kill people in a car accident. people are intentionmally trying to kill others with guns. Cannot val;dly compare the two. That's implicit in the very concept of a gun.

You claimed that only sociopaths would accept something that caused a lot of deaths.

You were wrong.



Tell that to the 86 people killed in the 2016 truck attack in France.



The point of hunting guns is to kill game animals.

The point of self defense guns is to rapidly incapacitate an attacker.



Cars demonstrate quite clearly that you are wrong about the American people being unwilling to accept something that causes lots of deaths.

Not that it even matters. You cannot demonstrate that pistol grips result in any deaths whatsoever.



How many people are killed by the target shooting gold medal winners at the Olympics?

i DIDN'T MAKE THAT CLAIM. IT'S YOUR CLAIM I DID, NOT MINE. YOU PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS GET my claims wrong.. You're just not very good at relling what others think.

Your exact words:

no, most Americans do NOT consider that an "acceptable trade-off, only the sociopaths do,"

https://able2know.org/topic/131081-529#post-7113581

fread it again. I was specifically talking about your contention that most americans think the 12.000 or so gun homicides a year are an acceptable trade-off for your free fire conception of "civil liberties". We don't. Sociopaths do.

Setting aside the fact that you cannot demonstrate that pistol grips result in any homicides at all, the acceptance of cars by the American people shows that you are completely wrong about them not accepting something that causes lots of deaths.

that's your argument, not mine. Guns are intentionally deadly, cars are not. that's the reality that your prating of illusory civil "liberties" violations ignores.

The fact that progressives deny that people have civil liberties shows just how evil progressives are. That's why we have groups like the NRA to protect America from the progressive menace.

the fact that right wingers use their rants about civil "liberties" vciolations as a cloak for people to murder others in the name of civil "liberties" show how evil right wingers are, they're the true villains trying to destroy america.

Wrong again. Laws against pistol grips have nothing to do with preventing murder, and preventing progressives from outlawing pistol grips does not cause a single death.

Progressive efforts to violate people's civil liberties have nothing whatsoever to do with saving any lives. Progressives do it only for the joy of harming innocent people.

You're talking utter nonsense. As far as I can tell, the only person in the world who thinks this is about pistol grips is you. certainly peopple who want gun control don't think it's about [istol grips. That's whythere are laws restricting weapons,, not pistol grips, weapons that don't even have pistol grips. You're full pf it..

this pasrt winter, n if i remember correctly, PA, some multiple gun owner got into an altercation with his neighbors, who were digging their car out after a snowfall.-claiming some of the snow uug out was in his driveway. He went iback into his house, returned with a pistol, AND SHOT BOTH OF HIS NEIGHBORS. aS THEY LAY WOUNDED, HE WENT BACK INTO HIS HOUSE, CAME BACK WITH AN AR-15, AND KILLED BOTH OF THE NEIGHBORS. iT'S clearly not self-defense, but murder. So even in the Nra'sbogus re=interpretation of the 2n3d MENDMENT, HE HAD NO JUSTIFICATIKON WHATSOEVER, BT HE STILL ACCORDING TO HYOU HAD THE CIVIL LIBERTY TO BUY A GUN. iF YOU HAVE IT, YOU CAN USE IT. hE DID., AND HE MURDERED TWO INNOCENT PEOPLE EXERCISING HIS "CIVIL LIBERTY". tHAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WITH YOUR INTERPERETATION. iT LEADS TO MURDERS, AND THAT'S NOT A CIVILIZED, SANE SOCITEY.

i hate ******* capslock. make the goddamned key smaller or put it somewhere else, hp.