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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 01:44 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
No joy.

You cannot provide any alternative motivation for trying to violate people's civil liberties. So no, the only possible motivation is that progressives enjoy doing it.


MontereyJack wrote:
Disgust that you keep enabling massive fatal violations of people's civil rights. You must get great joy from that, you do it so often, and I can see no other reason for you to do it.

Your accusation is untrue. I do no such thing.

And unlike me (I provided an example of you doing as I claim you do), you cannot provide any examples of me doing as you claim.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 01:45 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
That's pure opinion and a malicious opinion at that.

That is incorrect. That BLM is all about lynching police officers whenever they justifiably defend themselves from a black person, is a fact.
vikorr
 
  3  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 01:47 am
@oralloy,
I was merely pointing out that George Flloyd's treatment did constitute maltreatment.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 01:49 am
@vikorr,
It probably did.

However, it is not clear that the officer understood that he was causing the guy's death.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 01:50 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
Context is always important to interpreting the message. Numerous body language experts say it is around 70-85% of the message. Tone is a large percentage of the remaining message. Each of the things I mentioned related to body language and tone. Where the words are vague, the context becomes even more important. Any interpretation that ignores such context is flawed...or a really lucky guess.

The message is irrelevant. Therefore I expend zero energy interpreting the message.

The only thing that is relevant is the fact that Amy Cooper genuinely feared for the safety of her and her pet.


vikorr wrote:
But in any event, the only people who want to ignore context are those with an agenda.

That is incorrect. People who believe that a topic is irrelevant will ignore the context of that topic.


vikorr wrote:
Like your agenda driven bias.

I have no bias. My only agenda is truth and justice.


vikorr wrote:
Incorrect.

Not incorrect. I said that he tried to lure her pet away from her.


vikorr wrote:
Here is the link where you said "He did make a move towards her."

The move that he made towards her was to try to lure her pet away from her.


vikorr wrote:
This was patently wrong, which you continue to ignore.

There is nothing incorrect about me pointing out that he tried to lure her pet away from her.


vikorr wrote:
Your desire to ignore context,

The context of an irrelevant point is also irrelevant.


vikorr wrote:
and your desire to ignore any other possibility than the one you assign,

There is no possibility other than Amy Cooper genuinely feared for the safety of her and her pet.


vikorr wrote:
and your desire to ignore when you are wrong is driven by deep seated bias.

No such desire. I am always quick to admit it when I am wrong.
vikorr
 
  2  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 01:54 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
The only thing that is relevant is the fact that Amy Cooper genuinely feared for the safety of her and her pet.
Which depends on her interpretation - which if reasonable - used context.
- Irrational interpretations
- biased / agenda driven interpretations
- racist interpretations
- etc
Are not valid. And they are certainly not grounds to shoot someone.

Context is always relevant. Your laws that enable someone to shoot another person agree with this - context is relevant to whether or not a fear for your life is reasonable (otherwise you can shoot anyone you like and claim you were in fear for your life, reasonable fear or not)

You are making a judgement. The only way you can know if she was reasonable, is to look at the context....not ignore 3/4's of it. Your argument ignores what is reasonable because it is driven by your desire to be biased.

Quote:
The move that he made towards her was to try to lure her pet away from her.
And yet your words bluntly stated he moved towards her - with context that this was your counter against me saying he never moved towards her. The meaning is very, very clear. And you have never retracted such. Your nonense interpretation that getting something to come to you is you moving towards them is just that, nonsense. It ignores the reality in favour of your desire for biased illustration.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 02:58 am
@oralloy,
They're not defending themselves, they're assaulting someone black. You're assigning nonexistent malignant motives which you're just making up, factless nonreality is your stock in trade.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 03:00 am
@oralloy,
No I did not. Your opinion is flawed, as usual. What you think is a violation of civil liberty is purely your opinion and if SCOTUS doesn't back you up, as they don't, it exists only in your mind, a barren place for it to be.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 03:08 am
@oralloy,
Anybody who fantasizes about pissing on the piled corpses of victims of gun violence is getting great glee from it. QED
RABEL222
 
  2  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 12:27 pm
@oralloy,
Do you know the meaning of the word paranoia? If not look it up. It might be informative.
Region Philbis
 
  1  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 04:19 pm
Quote:
Biden calls on Congress to 'enact commonsense gun law reforms'
on third anniversary of Parkland shooting


"Today, I am calling on Congress to enact commonsense gun law reforms, including requiring
background checks on all gun sales, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines,
and eliminating immunity for gun manufacturers who knowingly put weapons of war on our
streets," Biden said in a statement.

"This administration will not wait for the next mass shooting to heed that call," the statement
reads. "We will take action to end our epidemic of gun violence and make our schools and
communities safer..."
(cnn)
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 04:55 pm
@Region Philbis,
Is he going to squander his entire first hundred days struggling against the indomitable might of the NRA like Barack Obama did in his second term?

That's how Mr. Trump got elected. It will also be an excellent way of ensuring that Mr. Trump is reelected in 2024.

It never fails that people who oppose civil liberties will always invoke some variant of "common sense" or "reasonable".
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 04:57 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Do you know the meaning of the word paranoia?

Yes.


RABEL222 wrote:
If not look it up. It might be informative.

As it is irrelevant trivia, it is not particularly informative.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 04:58 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Anybody who fantasizes about pissing on the piled corpses of victims of gun violence is getting great glee from it. QED

I have never had such a fantasy.

Note that an expression of my contempt for progressive virtue signaling is not in any way the same thing as fantasizing about something.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 04:59 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
They're not defending themselves, they're assaulting someone black.

When people assault someone who is trying to rape or murder them, that is self defense.


MontereyJack wrote:
You're assigning nonexistent malignant motives which you're just making up,

BLM very clearly try to lynch people for justifiably defending themselves when a black person tries to rape or murder them.


MontereyJack wrote:
factless nonreality is your stock in trade.

All of my facts can be backed up with reliable cites.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 05:00 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
Which depends on her interpretation - which if reasonable - used context.
- Irrational interpretations
- biased / agenda driven interpretations
- racist interpretations
- etc
Are not valid.

It is perfectly rational for someone to feel threatened when a thug threatens them and then tries to lure their pet away from them.


vikorr wrote:
And they are certainly not grounds to shoot someone.

Perhaps, but Amy Cooper's fears were perfectly rational. It was a huge mistake for her to not 3S the guy.


vikorr wrote:
Context is always relevant. Your laws that enable someone to shoot another person agree with this - context is relevant to whether or not a fear for your life is reasonable (otherwise you can shoot anyone you like and claim you were in fear for your life, reasonable fear or not)

He threatened her. Then he tried to act on his threat. Time for the three S's.


vikorr wrote:
You are making a judgement. The only way you can know if she was reasonable, is to look at the context....not ignore 3/4's of it. Your argument ignores what is reasonable because it is driven by your desire to be biased.

I do not ignore what is reasonable. Neither do I desire to be biased. Nor am I biased.

It was perfectly reasonable for her to feel threatened by this thug who was threatening her.
vikorr
 
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Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 05:11 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
It is perfectly rational for someone to feel threatened when a thug threatens them and then tries to lure their pet away from them.
As I previously said - there are different sorts of threats, including:
- legal threats (ie lawful actions, such as calling law enforcement)
- threats of exposure (to ridicule on social media, which is why people start filming, like Mr Cooper did),
- threats of violence (which are accompanied by threatening behaviour, not calm behaviour where he never approaches her, and tells her to stay away from him)
- etc
...And when the threat is vague, the only way to know which category it falls into, and the degree of the 'threat' (which can be very minor), is through applying context (actions, tone, bodylanguage), which you refuse to apply,. You choose to ignore all context (except him calling her dog to him with a treat) in judging whether or not her reaction was reasonable. This is agenda driven on your part.

It definitely in no way justifies shooting him (as you claim it would), which shows just how extremely disproportionate your bias is.

Any concession you've made to a black person involved in conflict with a white person - you've barely admitted a single iota to any black persons side (and usually it has been the black person who ended up dead). Context that favours the black person, you've virtually always called irrelevant. Context that favours the white person, you focus on, no matter how unreasonable it is in the known context.

Your racism has been on display for everyone here to see. Only you deny it.

One of the things that humans are quite capable of doing, is justifying to themselves anything they want to justify to themselves. No amount of argument is capable of changing the minds of such people.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 06:07 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
As I previously said - there are different sorts of threats, including:
- legal threats (ie lawful actions, such as calling law enforcement)
- threats of exposure (to ridicule on social media, which is why people start filming, like Mr Cooper did),
- threats of violence (which are accompanied by threatening behaviour, not calm behaviour where he never approaches her, and tells her to stay away from him)
- etc
...And when the threat is vague, the only way to know which category it falls into, and the degree of the 'threat' (which can be very minor), is through applying context (actions, tone, bodylanguage), which you refuse to apply,. You choose to ignore all context (except him calling her dog to him with a treat) in judging whether or not her reaction was reasonable.

And rightly so. His threat and his attempt to act on his threat are what matters.


vikorr wrote:
This is agenda driven on your part.

The agenda in question is to prevent you from lynching innocent people.


vikorr wrote:
It definitely in no way justifies shooting him (as you claim it would),

Yes it does. She had every right to be safe from this thug.


vikorr wrote:
which shows just how extremely disproportionate your bias is.

No such bias.


vikorr wrote:
Any concession you've made to a black person involved in conflict with a white person - you've barely admitted a single iota to any black persons side (and usually it has been the black person who ended up dead). Context that favours the black person, you've virtually always called irrelevant. Context that favours the white person, you focus on, no matter how unreasonable it is in the known context.

I focus on context that is relevant.

In this case the only thing that is relevant is the fact that Amy Cooper legitimately feared for the safety of her and her pet.


vikorr wrote:
Your racism has been on display for everyone here to see.

Wrong. You are the only racist here.

You think it's wrong for white people to protect themselves when black people try to rape or murder them.


vikorr wrote:
Only you deny it.

It is proper that your false accusations are denied.


vikorr wrote:
One of the things that humans are quite capable of doing, is justifying to themselves anything they want to justify to themselves. No amount of argument is capable of changing the minds of such people.

Does this mean you are going to keep spouting your anti-white racism?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 06:10 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
No I did not.

Yes you did. And everyone can see you doing it right here:
https://able2know.org/topic/203766-209#post-5227079


MontereyJack wrote:
Your opinion is flawed, as usual.

"That you expressed support for violating people's civil liberties" is a fact, not an opinion.


MontereyJack wrote:
What you think is a violation of civil liberty is purely your opinion

Wrong. It is a fact that laws are allowed to restrict a fundamental right only if the restriction can be justified as serving a compelling government interest.

It is also a fact that no one can provide any compelling government interest to justify restricting pistol grips.


MontereyJack wrote:
and if SCOTUS doesn't back you up, as they don't, it exists only in your mind,

You have no basis for saying that the Supreme Court doesn't back me up.

And no. The rules protecting our civil liberties would still exist even if the Supreme Court didn't back me up. You are committing an appeal to authority fallacy.


MontereyJack wrote:
a barren place for it to be.

I can fit the entire universe in my mind (like Zaphod Beeblebrox in the Total Perspective Vortex). Few others can do this.
vikorr
 
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Reply Sun 14 Feb, 2021 08:16 pm
@oralloy,
Unfortunately each and everyone one of your replies were either delusional, or continued to display your bias.
 

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