Guns: how much longer will it take ....

what you call bribes are simply deals like trade that gain advantages for each side. Iran has different wants and needs than we do that are good for their citizens . It's like Israeli settlements in the occupied territories which the world condemns as illegal, but israel just keeps building them.
We have to bribe them somehow to get them to stopp bjuilding them. Iran is one of the parties in religious disputes (Sunni-Shia) that go back a thousand years before the US existed. If we back Sunnis as we've done we can expect p;ushback. Not surprisaingly they're looking out for their people who have been there for a thousand years. We're looking for US hegemokny, other countries want to see their own hegemony in their oun regions. Deals and negotitations are far better way to deal with those differences than Trump's one sided hare-brained brute force

wrong. like india and pakistan they just did it, no matter what the rest of the wokrld thought (and as I recall tjhey got a lot of the science from espionage on us, wasn't that sidney pollard's job?

wrong. like india and pakistan they just did it, no matter what the rest of the wokrld thought (and as I recall they got a lot of the science from espionage on us, wasn't that jonathan pollard's job? what civilized nation does that?

Not wrong. There are no international conventions that forbid Israel, India, or Pakistan from having nuclear weapons.

Civilized countries do not need to be enticed into following the law.



The world only asks Israel to give up that land if the Palestinians give them peace in return.

Since the Palestinians refuse to offer peace to Israel, the land is Israel's to do with as they please.

UYour opinion is all you offer, not fact, and it has no basis in fact. The settlements are illegal. Law does not require a quid pro quo here. kthey are illegal/Israel is not being civilized, as you term it.

It is a fact, not an opinion, that international law requires the Palestinians to make peace with Israel and not wage a perpetual war of annihilation against them.

It is a fact, not an opinion, that the world has created and supported a peace process where Israel will give up land in exchange for the Palestinians making peace.

It is a fact, not an opinion, that the Palestinians refuse to do what the world requires of them and make peace with Israel in exchange for receiving land.

No. It's definitely your opinion only. not law.

International law requires the Palestinians to make peace with Israel and not wage a neverending war of annihilation against them.

Progressives really hate facts, but that does not make facts opinions.

Progressives really hate laws, but that doesn't make laws opinions.

what you call facts are really just your opinions. what you consider laws often are nothing actually enacted. and what you think actual laws say is just your opinion of what they really say. What israelis offer is what they want, not what the palestinians want, and palestinians are under no obligation to accept an offer that satisfies only the other side and only offers them crumbs.

Facts are not opinions no matter how much you dislike them.



The laws are on the books, and they are clearly written. What they say is not a matter of opinion.



Any characterization of Israel's offers as "one-sided and only giving the Palestinians crumbs" is blatantly untrue.

That said, if the Palestinians don't like Israel's offers, they are more than welcome to propose counteroffers.

It is hopeless to have a discussion with MontereyJack. His comments about Israel conclusively prove it.

It's far more hopeless to try to have a rational discussion with you or oralloy

He and I have rational discussions all the time. It's easy when the facts are all on your side.

What you claim are facts are clearly often not, but merely opinion and misguided heavily partisan biased inflammatory insulting opinion at that. that's why your posts in particular are widely disregarded.

rational? one laughs.

Khamenei wants Israel to be destroyed and you pretend he doesn't seek nuclear weapons.

You have a big mouth, but you're nothing but a phony. You cannot back up your empty claims by pointing out any occurence of me ever claiming opinion as fact.



You speak only for progressives when you proudly proclaim your disregard for facts and reality.

When you laugh at reality that doesn't make it any less real.

not reality. You.