Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Learn a ;little history. Obama, Biden, and Kerry, and three of our allies put together the deal which halted Iran's uranium enrichment. Which Trump abrogated, since he broke the treaty, Iran had respected the deal, but the abrogation allowed them to start enrichment again.

Ollie is correct. You ARE delusional. Iran and North Korea played Obama like a drum.
It is YOU who needs to learn history. England was nearly destroyed because of APPEASEMENT. We must not be so stupid.
On a different note do you really believe that the fundamental value of GameStop stock is $492 per share? Only kidding. 🌞

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

they weren't breaking a law.

Wrong. It is against the law for Iran to build nuclear weapons.

Stop making excuses for criminal activity.

MontereyJack wrote:

they had international aims and aspirations which conflicted with ours but were valid by their reasoning.

Bank robbers think that robbing banks is a valid goal.

MontereyJack wrote:

We gave them incentives to agree with our viewpoint and it worked.

Civilized countries don't need to be bribed into following the law.

MontereyJack wrote:

beats the hell out of nuclear war.

War with Iran won't involve nuclear weapons.

Bombing their illegal nuclear sites will lead to some extremely nasty chemical releases however.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Iran wants reactors because they're using way too much of their oil on internal consumption, which cuts down markedly on vital oil exports, losing them way too much money they could use for internal development.

Iran was not building a plutonium production reactor at Arak because they wanted to generate electricity.

Iran is not enriching uranium to 20% because they want to generate electricity.

MontereyJack wrote:

I don't notice you bitching about illegal Israeli nukes. Kinda two-faced.

Israel's nuclear weapons are 100% legal.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Iran had respected the deal, but the abrogation allowed them to start enrichment again.

Civilized countries don't need to be bribed into following the law.

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@NealNealNeal,

Yhe Obama et al pact with iran worked. Trump's discarding it meant iran could legally start enriching urasnium again.

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@MontereyJack,

That is incorrect. Even without the pact it is against the law for Iran to build nuclear weapons.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Yhe Obama et al pact with iran worked. Trump's discarding it meant iran could legally start enriching urasnium again.

You're. naive.

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@oralloy,

they wanted to build reactors for power. They needed breeders to get fuel if world tensions cut off their supply. The pact guaranteed theyd get fuel. It worked.

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@NealNealNeal,

that's the simple fact. that's why trump's actions were so stupid.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

they wanted to build reactors for power. They needed breeders to get fuel if world tensions cut off their supply.

That's nonsense. Iran was not building the infrastructure of a nuclear weapons program because they wanted to produce electricity.

What's really telling about progressives is, while progressives will make any excuse possible to justify Iran's pursuit of illegal nuclear weapons, progressives will throw a massive fit about a US ally like Saudi Arabia trying to acquire legal reactors that are actually designed to only produce electricity.

MontereyJack wrote:

The pact guaranteed theyd get fuel. It worked.

Civilized countries don't have to be bribed into following the law.

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@oralloy,

they did want to produce electricity. Given the instability and cross cutting interests of the middle east, they also probably had an interest in possible weapons prodion to safeguard their interest and safety. Kinda like Israel. The pact guaranteed the power production and put a quietus on possible weapons. It worked. Trump threw a wrench in it. Israel wanted to be the 800 pound gorilla in the room, dominakting everyone else. Everyone else did not want an 800 pound gorilla telling them what they could do. That's what diplomacy is all about.

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@oralloy,

You're kidding, right?

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@oralloy,

You're kidding yourself. International relations is all about offering something to another nation whose national interest is different from yours, something they want so they'll go along with you. If you want to be pejorative, and you do, you can call it a bribe but what it is is an incentive to change their mind and agree with you. That's what the pact with Iran was. That's why it worked. Til Trump came in like the proverbial bull in the china shop and wreaked havoc and derailed his own agenda and the U.S's.

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@oralloy,

Only by Israeli law, not worldwide conventions.

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@MontereyJack,

You live in a fantasy world.

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@NealNealNeal,

hardly. I live in the real world where obama, biden and kerry and our allies exerciesed skillful diplomacy and a few carrots adgot Iran to do what we wanted until rtrump blew the whole thing up. you live in a world of imaginary dangerous leftists.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

they did want to produce electricity.

Iran was not developing the infrastructure to produce nuclear weapons because they wanted electricity.

And to make progressive hypocrisy even more complete, progressives throw fits over Saudi Arabia trying to get nuclear reactors that are designed to only produce electricity.

MontereyJack wrote:

Given the instability and cross cutting interests of the middle east, they also probably had an interest in possible weapons production to safeguard their interest and safety. Kinda like Israel.

Except Israel did it legally. Iran's nuclear weapons program is illegal.

MontereyJack wrote:

The pact guaranteed the power production and put a quietus on possible weapons. It worked.

Civilized countries do not have to be bribed to follow the law.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

You're kidding, right?

Look at Canada. They are lawful citizens of the world and no one has to bribe them to act civilized.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

You're kidding yourself. International relations is all about offering something to another nation whose national interest is different from yours, something they want so they'll go along with you. If you want to be pejorative, and you do, you can call it a bribe but what it is is an incentive to change their mind and agree with you. That's what the pact with Iran was. That's why it worked.

We don't have to bribe Sweden in order to get them to respect international law.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Only by Israeli law, not worldwide conventions.

That is incorrect. No international conventions forbid Israel from having nuclear weapons.

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