Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@oralloy,

one of the problems is you can't tell who is a "good" guy with a gun from an active shooter until he opens fire and then it's usually too late.

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@MontereyJack,

We both know the only way your plan works is if there are no guns and we know that is never going to happen, the govt is never going to go door to door taking guns. So what's the real plan for dealing with the 2nd Amendment?

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@Baldimo,

We both know the country wants meaningful gun reform legislation, and the 2020 census is going to kick rural NRA strongholds in the patootie and Trump is losing support every time he talks at his briefings and as above not doing well in swing states. So. So. Defeat Trump. Lock him up ..keep the House, take the Senate. Send more NRA lackeys home. Make sure someone sane is there to replace RBG if she decides to retire. Use the cresting blue wave to oust the gerrymandered gop govs and state reps. Pass a bunch of gun reform laws.

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@MontereyJack,

Personally I'd go for bans on semi autos with detachable magazines, and buybacks. With gerrymandered disgraced gops out of state governments it's verypossible, and given their demonstrated ability to commit slaughter it'll pass strict scrutiny. Pass the laws. flood the courts. Dismantle the NRAs stramg;ehols. public opinion hates them and they don't have a big warchest this year. blitz em. Shame SCOTUS. Roberts is very worried about its image and theyre vulnerable. It's ambitious, but the country needs it.y

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@Baldimo,

Hey, it's working in NZ but they're civilized and rational there.

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@MontereyJack,

Lack of freedom and civil liberties is hardly civilized or rational.

America's freedom and civil liberties is what makes our form of government the best in the world.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

one of the problems is you can't tell who is a "good" guy with a gun from an active shooter until he opens fire and then it's usually too late.

It's not too late to protect yourself when shooting starts. Look at the Texas churchgoers.

Sure, one or two people may be killed before people have a chance to return fire, but the massacre will not progress beyond that point.

Once it becomes clear that anyone who tries to commit a massacre will simply be gunned down on the spot, many of these potential murderers will stop trying to commit massacres in the first place.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Personally I'd go for bans on semi autos with detachable magazines, and buybacks. With gerrymandered disgraced gops out of state governments it's very possible, and given their demonstrated ability to commit slaughter it'll pass strict scrutiny.

It won't pass strict scrutiny. There is no reason to think that massacres will be a problem any longer once people start carrying guns in public. Once there is no longer any danger, there is no longer any justification for regulations to guard against that danger.

In the unlikely event that gun massacres remain a problem once people start carrying guns in public, red flag laws and stricter background checks will likely be enough to solve the problem.

In the highly unlikely event that massacres remain a problem once people start carrying guns in public and we have red flag laws and stricter background checks, simply restricting detachable rifle magazines to five rounds will ensure that semi-auto rifles are no deadlier than an ordinary hunting rifle.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

the 2020 census is going to kick rural NRA strongholds in the patootie

That's wishful thinking.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Dismantle the NRAs strongholds.

The Constitution protects our right to vote out here in the countryside. How much of the Constitution are progressives trying to abolish?

MontereyJack wrote:

public opinion hates them

We rural voters do not hate ourselves. If other regions of the country hate us, that says more about them than it does about us.

MontereyJack wrote:

and they don't have a big warchest this year. blitz em.

Money has nothing to so with the NRA's strength. The NRA is strong with rural voters because we vote for politicians who don't violate our rights.

It's not just gun control either. We rural voters are also pretty good at blocking global warming legislation.

MontereyJack wrote:

Shame SCOTUS. Roberts is very worried about its image and theyre vulnerable.

So in other words, pressure the Supreme Court to stop enforcing the Constitution.

That's a tacit admission that progressives want to violate the Constitution.

MontereyJack wrote:

It's ambitious, but the country needs it.

What the country needs is for progressives to stop trying to violate people's civil liberties.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

We both know the country wants meaningful gun reform legislation,

There is nothing meaningful about laws against pistol grips on semi-auto rifles.

We voters in rural areas certainly do not want anyone messing with our pistol grips.

MontereyJack wrote:

Lock him up

This is why the nation needs to outlaw and abolish the Democratic Party. It is wrong for them to abuse the law to persecute people who disagree with them.

MontereyJack wrote:

Make sure someone sane is there to replace RBG if she decides to retire.

Eagerness for justices who will allow the Constitution to be violated is another tacit admission that progressives want to violate the Constitution.

MontereyJack wrote:

gerrymandered gop govs

Gerrymandering is not a factor in statewide races. There are no districts to be artificially drawn.

Gerrymandering only works for state legislatures, the US House of Representatives, and the two states (Maine and Nebraska) that divide up their electoral college votes by congressional district.

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@oralloy,

continue your nonsensical bibble babble. we'll continue to vote more NRA toadies out of office in Nov. and restore the country to sane governance.

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@MontereyJack,

Facts are inconvenient to progressives, but facts are not nonsense.

Violating people's civil liberties for fun is hardly sane governance.

You won't be voting any pro-civil-liberties politicians out of office in any rural districts.

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@oralloy,

People keep leaving rural districts because they can't make a living there anymore. Getting lonelier? Violating American civil rights for fun is not acceptable. That's why you're losing ground.

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@MontereyJack,

We are not losing any ground. People who remain in rural districts will continue to vote for politicians who protect our civil liberties.

Preventing progressives from outlawing pistol grips on semi-auto rifles does not violate anyone's civil rights.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

We are not losing any ground. People who remain in rural districts will continue to vote for politicians who protect our civil liberties.

Not to mention the fact that if all goes well, Justice Clarence Thomas will have something to say in a couple months about our right to carry guns in public.

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If Canada chooses to abolish freedom in their country, that's their business. But they should accept that America chooses to remain free.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pandemic-shootings-usa-1.5541773

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@oralloy,

Canadians are free, and I suspect they would feel free to kick your ass if you pulled that **** in their hearing. Americans on the other hand are subject to the tyranny of the gun, from individuals who feel free to shoot us up for fun.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Canadians are free,

That is incorrect. Free people have the right to carry guns when they go about in public.

Americans are now the only people in the world who remain free.

MontereyJack wrote:

and I suspect they would feel free to kick your ass if you pulled that **** in their hearing.

Progressives are always so violent.

You wrong our Canadian friends when you presume that they share this violence.

MontereyJack wrote:

Americans on the other hand are subject to the tyranny of the gun, from individuals who feel free to shoot us up for fun.

Progressives and Islamic terrorists share the belief that freedom is tyranny.

That's why progressives identified so closely with the hijackers on 9/11.

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@MontereyJack,

No one is losing ground, in fact as was pointed out a few weeks ago, gun sales are on the rise and the majority of those sales were to first time gun buyers. There was also a judge today in CA who dismissed the new background check for ammo sales law, he ruled that such a background check was a violation of the 2nd Amendment and infringed on the rights of legal gun owners to purchase ammo. Which pretty much puts the squash on anything the anti-gun people wanted to do with ammo as a way to limit the 2nd Amendment.

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/california-news/judge-tosses-calif-ammunition-purchase-law/

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