Guns: how much longer will it take ....

Shooting spree in Canada shows what happens when victims are prevented from carrying guns for self defense:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-crime-nova-scotia-idUSKBN222285

Massacre attempts go quite differently when victims are able to defend themselves. Note the recent attempted church shooting in Texas.

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@oralloy,

Tell that to the victims of the Dayton shooter. AndTrudeau is vowing new gun control legislation, which Canadians being far more sensible than we are will approve. Meanwhile Canadians have far fewer mass shootings than we do, and have far fewer gun loonies than we do.

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@MontereyJack,

Bring 'em here and I'll be happy to tell them.

Canada is an example of what happens when a country has no freedom or civil liberties. This is why the US has the best form of government in the world.

It never fails that people who oppose civil liberties use terms like "sensible".

Canadian victims will always be defenseless when criminals attack them. Those churchgoers in Texas were able to protect themselves when someone tried to massacre them.

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@oralloy,

The Dayton shooter was killed in 33 seconds by peopke (cops) there with guns. He killed/wounded 36 people in those 33 seconds.

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@oralloy,

They're vitims. They can't come, but we know what you'll do with the victims of gun violence. You want to pile them up and piss on them.

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@MontereyJack,

The Texas parishioners put down their attacker in two or three seconds.

But even your 33 second example proves my point. You need people on-site with guns in order to stop a massacre.

The Dayton shooter likely used large magazines. He'd have been hard pressed to harm that many people that quickly if his rifle had only had five round magazines.

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@oralloy,

the people who took out the Dayton shooter were cops on the site. If he hadn't had a gun in the first place it wouldn't have happened. same with the TX church. For that matter, same with the ElPaso shooter. 'ad Stephen Paddock.And considering a magazine change only takes about two seconds, 33 seconds is adequate for 36 victims with five shot magazines, a bit more difficult but adequate. And of course there are millions of larger magazines available.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

the people who took out the Dayton shooter were cops on the site.

That proves my point. The way you stop massacres is by having someone on-site with a gun.

MontereyJack wrote:

If he hadn't had a gun in the first place it wouldn't have happened. same with the TX church. For that matter, same with the ElPaso shooter. 'ad Stephen Paddock.

Free people have the right to carry guns.

MontereyJack wrote:

And considering a magazine change only takes about two seconds, 33 seconds is adequate for 36 victims with five shot magazines, a bit more difficult but adequate.

I am skeptical of this supposition.

MontereyJack wrote:

And of course there are millions of larger magazines available.

Only because the law allows their availability.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

the people who took out the Dayton shooter were cops on the site. If he hadn't had a gun in the first place it wouldn't have happened. same with the TX church. For that matter, same with the ElPaso shooter. 'ad Stephen Paddock.And considering a magazine change only takes about two seconds, 33 seconds is adequate for 36 victims with five shot magazines, a bit more difficult but adequate. And of course there are millions of larger magazines available.

And of course they dont need to be available, they are easy to make, almost anyone could manage.

I know of a local guy who built a high quality fully automatic AK47 in is garage, the first one took him 27 hours.

That was three years ago, I wonder how many he has made since.

The government of course knows nothing about these gun.

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@oralloy,

the way you START massacres is having someone on site with a gun. That's the basic flaw in your argument.

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@hawkeye10,

which is why semi autos with detachable magazines are the root of the problem.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

the way you START massacres is having someone on site with a gun with a desire to inflict pain on us. That's the basic flaw in your argument.

fixed

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

the way you START massacres is having someone on site with a gun.

Americans have a Constitutional right to carry guns in public.

MontereyJack wrote:

That's the basic flaw in your argument.

There is no flaw in my argument. Having someone on-site with a gun is the way you stop a massacre.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

which is why semi autos with detachable magazines are the root of the problem.

The root of the problem is not enough people exercise their Constitutional right to carry a gun in public.

The way to stop massacres is for more people to carry guns.

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@oralloy,

wrong on both counts,

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@MontereyJack,

The facts show that I am completely correct.

Look at how those churchgoers in Texas were able to quickly stop the guy who was trying to massacre them.

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@oralloy,

Problem is, the guy carrying the gun is legal until ONE SECOND later, when he starts shooting, and there's no way to tell beforehand. And you can commit mass murder with one five shot magazine in about three seconds, and if you're minimally careful, no one around you will know beforehand. The TX counter shooters got lucky. Most of the time they won't and then they'll probably be dead.

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@MontereyJack,

If people return fire as soon as a massacre starts it will still sharply curtail the massacre.

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