Guns: how much longer will it take ....

Watch the video. They use small magazines. Conservatives hate it when re ality contradicts their illusions.

I am unaware of any video that shows a rifle providing a rapid volume of fire using small magazines.

I have posted one at least twice. Ignorance is just ignorance it's not an excuse.

I have not seen any video that shows rifles firing as rapidly as you claim using small magazines.

I do not believe that it is possible to fire a rifle as rapidly as you claim using small magazines.

reality does bite, doesn't it.

I'm generally pretty happy with reality.

I wouldn't mind being a billionaire though. That's one thing about reality that I'd change if I could.

As usual when some one provrs you a liar you try to change the subject.

Then post it 3 times. I do not believe you.

He actually hasn't proven anything, he made another claim, and claims to have posted a video on it, when we all know he never posted any link to a video, he can't even spell correctly with a cell phone, what makes you expect he would post a link to a video?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=video+of+rate+of+fire+of+ar-15&view=detail&mid=9034A3D8E6ADDBE170979034A3D8E6ADDBE17097&FORM=VIRE
thank you, you and joint for calling me a liar. assholes. udes havihe video weas ;posted twice at least. It proved what I said. It seems to have been taken down. However the above cite proves pretty much the same thing. The guy has 13 shots in the gun and a 14 shot magazine. He fires 27 shots in 18 seconds with one reload.his new magazine i is much less accessible. bad ergonomics on his part. Since a magazine change only takes about two seconds, give or take. Do the math. 16 more mag changes with 6 shot magazine is 32 seconds. 27 shots in 18 second is 108 shots in 72 seconds. 32 and 72 is 104 and that total would include the time taken to clear four misfires. The original video had no misfires in several different trials with different weapons and small magazines. So a completely different video proves my point. Reality is biting your collective asses.

he also has a misfire on the reload, which he has to clear and takes a couple seconds extra, a problem the original video did not have with multiple trials over multiple weapons with amall magazines, and he still ends up with pretty much the same rate of fire as the original video, even with his problems. I'm right. You guys aren't.

Your videos prove the opposite of what you claim.

They show that New York reloads are just as effective as detachable magazines.

The only liar here is you. Shame on you for being being so dishonest.

I know you lack the ability to post intelligent arguments, but that's no excuse for your complete lack of honor and integrity.

I'm the only person here who was called a liar. Rabble is not capable of posting anything intelligent, and he compensated for his stupidity by falsely accusing me of his own dishonesty.



The video in question does NOT show rifles being fired using small magazines.

It does however make it pretty clear that magazine limits on handguns are pointless. The guy was able to achieve the same rate of fire using New York reloads.



It hasn't been taken down. Here is where you originally posted the video:
https://able2know.org/topic/131081-356#post-6918481

Here is the video. Note again that it does NOT show rifles being fired using small magazines. Note again that it shows that New York reloads are just as effective as detachable magazines:





Your videos do not prove your point. Neither video shows a rifle being fired with magazines smaller than 10 rounds.

Your new video also shows the futility of magazine restrictions for handguns. It demonstrated New York reloads too.

@RABEL222,
My IQ is 170 actually.

Thanh ks for finding the video. Proves my point was right. I will do a longer post telling you why, given all the time we have for social distancing. But in the meantime, I'm offering you a golden oldie to pass your time, for you and all the nostalgic Michigan expats, Da Yoopers, the official songbirds of da Yooper Peninsula. Knowing your fondness for hunting rifles, this is right up your alley, showcasing thvital importance of semi auto hunting rifles in Michigan hunting culture:\

what a waste of intellect.

Hardly a waste. My mind serves me quite well.

The video on the rate of fire was interesting, but unfortunately, staged. Why do I say that?

AR15
- emptying a magazine the first time around took around 3 seconds (or 1 every 0.231s - so a 14 round magazine isn't much different, and the 3 seconds is an estimate based on times in the video).
- 4 seconds to reload and start shooting again
- emptying the second magazine (after it had been changed) took 17 seconds
- that includes 9 seconds to recognise a jam and start shooting again
- meaning he took 8 seconds to empty the second magazine, and he was pulling the trigger almost 3 times slower than the first time.

Regarding the jam - all I can find (never owned one) is that the AR15 has an extremely low jam rate, with one person claiming every 500-600 rounds it will jam. That would make it one jam every (500/14=) 36 Magazines. That then makes me wonder how many shoots the exhibitor had to take to get his AR15 to jam, so that he could use it in his video. Edit: just realised you could use a inert bullet of some sort to simulate a jam. Still staged.

What you get from that, is the real rate of fire, and one where the 'exhibitor' isn't fixing the results, is that the AR15 should should at:

(60 / (Time to empty magazine + time to reload and start firing again)) x Magazine Size

So

60 / 7 = 8.57
8.57 x 14= 120 rounds per minute (so 20 revolvers)

If you wanted to include jamming into the equation, then you would need to extend the time to (jam rate of one ever 36 magazines divided by 8.57 per minute =) 4.2 minutes per average jam, or do a ratio for one minute (9 seconds to fix jam / 4.2=2.14 seconds. 2.14 /3= 0.7133. 0.7133x14= 10shots). So including the jam rate from evidence in the video, is 120-10= 110 shots per minute (just realised I didn't include magazine changes, but too lazy to change it. Number would be higher than 110 with that included).

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On the other side:
- that was an impressive number of revolvers he had hidden
- I've seen speed shooters who can shoot revolvers much, much faster (admittedly his firing rate was much closer to the vast majority of people)
- he wasn't particularly aiming the revolver or AR15. We of course know which is more accurate by far when just pulling the trigger as fast as you can (and not highly trained).
- he slowed down on the revolvers as well after the first change, though not by near as much

Much depends on how well maintained the gun is.

Also, guns vary in price and quality. H&K makes some very good AR-15 guns (actually they are an improvement on the design) that cost about $5,000 a gun. If you buy as cheap an AR-15 as possible, the reliability will be lower. You get what you pay for.

Price and quality makes a difference with ammo as well. Some of the big ammo companies try to restrict their best ammo to the military and police. Luckily though there are decent retailers out there who ignore these restrictions and sell police/military ammo to the general public over the internet. These retailers are true heroes of the Second Amendment.



That's called a New York reload. It's less common these days since everyone has high capacity detachable magazines.



I'm not sure that accuracy is possible when pulling the trigger as fast as you can. Someone who is trained won't be pulling the trigger as fast as they can.

Given equal rates of fire though, it is true that long guns will always be more accurate than handguns.

Long guns also produce wounds that are more devastating than wounds produced by handguns. Note these wound profiles:

.38 handgun
https://web.archive.org/web/20150421183804if_/firearmstactical.com/images/Wound%20Profiles/38%20Spl%20Plus%20P%20JHP.jpg

.45 handgun
https://web.archive.org/web/20150421190833if_/firearmstactical.com/images/Wound%20Profiles/45%20ACP%20WW%20STHP.jpg

AR-15
https://web.archive.org/web/20150421182448if_/firearmstactical.com/images/Wound%20Profiles/223%20Remington%2050gr%20JSP.jpg

Shotgun
https://web.archive.org/web/20150421190731if_/firearmstactical.com/images/Wound%20Profiles/12%20Gauge%20No%204%20Buckshot.jpg