Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:
The Second Amendment forbids all gun laws that cannot be justified as serving a compelling government interest.

Your opinion is duly noted.

That is a fact, not an opinion.

InfraBlue wrote:

I'll accept their opinion over yours, thank you very much.

It doesn't matter what justification you come up with for your crimes, you will still need to pay compensation to your victims before I will support any new gun laws.

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:
It was a grievous violation of our civil liberties. You will have to pay massive compensation to the victims of your crimes before I will support any new gun laws.

Your opinion is duly noted.

That is an ultimatum, not an opinion.

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Produce the military studies and I will look at them.

That's your homework for the weekend.

Supporting your arguments is your job, not mine.

I don't believe that there are any such military studies. Your failure to produce these studies is acting to confirm that belief.

InfraBlue wrote:

Don't tell me it's your argument as well as Glenn's that the military incorporates pistol grips on their rifles "'cause it looks kick ass." I'd have thought you were smarter than that.

I've never seen Glennn make such an argument.

My argument is that I think you are asking for an explanation of a phenomenon that you can't even establish is happening.

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@oralloy,

So this is what the NRA and gun"rights" activists have brought us to--: 9 year old bringing guns to school in their backpacks and threatening the other kids. Tell us again how wanting kids to not be in a position to threaten other kids with a gun is a violation of their civil liberties, oralloy,
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/10/04/florida-boy-9-brings-gun-school-threatens-classmates-police-say/1530897002/

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

So this is what the NRA and gun"rights" activists have brought us to--: 9 year old bringing guns to school in their backpacks and threatening the other kids.

I don't care. I oppose all new gun laws until you stop violating people's civil liberties for fun, and compensate your victims.

MontereyJack wrote:

Tell us again how wanting kids to not be in a position to threaten other kids with a gun is a violation of their civil liberties, oralloy,

I've never said any such thing. The civil liberties violation comes when you outlaw pistol grips for no reason.

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@oralloy,

Since you're the person who keeps suggesting it's about banning pistol grips, and we never have, for fun or otherwise, it must be you who's intent on violating civil liberties.

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@MontereyJack,

That is incorrect. You are the one who keeps pressing to outlaw pistol grips on semi-auto rifles. You are the one who keeps violating people's civil liberties for fun.

So, no new gun laws for you. Have fun helplessly watching all the massacres.

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@oralloy,

oralloy says:

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That is incorrect. You are the one who keeps pressing to outlaw pistol grips on semi-auto rifles. You are the one who keeps violating people's civil liberties for fun.

So, no new gun laws for you. Have fun helplessly watching all the massacres.

That perfectly encapsulates gun "rights" sociopathy--complete denial that there is a problem with gun violence and gloating, absolute gleet, at the continuing gun carnage.

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@MontereyJack,

And let's not forget oralloy's repeated requests that the bodies of dead victims of gun violence be stacked up neatly so he can piss on them.

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@MontereyJack,

Why would someone say something like that?

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@snood,

It's a reasonable response to virtue signaling from progressives who don't even care about saving lives and really only care about violating people's civil liberties for fun.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

That perfectly encapsulates gun "rights"

This is why Trump is one of our greatest presidents. He protects America from progressives who deny that civil liberties even exist, and who seek to violate those civil liberties for fun.

MontereyJack wrote:

sociopathy--complete denial that there is a problem with gun violence and gloating, absolute glee, at the continuing gun carnage.

Wrong again. No such denials.

And no sociopathy on my end. If you want my support for new gun laws, you have to stop violating people's civil liberties for fun, and you have to pay hefty compensation to the victims of your crimes.

If you decide that you don't care about saving lives, and you choose to just violate people's civil liberties for fun instead, that would be your sociopathy.

Don't go trying to blame me for the consequences of your choices.

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@MontereyJack,

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Since you're the person who keeps suggesting it's about banning pistol grips, and we never have

Oh, so you're okay with pistol grips on semiautomatic rifles. So then what's your problem with the AR-15?

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@Glennn,

One more time. The problem is the ability to kill 35 people in 30 seconds with a semiautomic weapon.

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@RABEL222,

One more time: Your problem is with magazine size.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

One more time. The problem is the ability to kill 35 people in 30 seconds with a semiautomic weapon.

Nice try, but no. An AR-15 with a five round detachable magazine is no deadlier than a common hunting rifle.

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@oralloy,

https://www.youtube.c. m/watch?v=MCSySuemiHU

very interesting video. The video demonstration firing doesn't start until about 1:50 afer lengthy prefatory subtitles/. Firing an ak 15 or a glock 9mm handgun, even with someone billed as not highly trained, AIMED shots,, even with 6 round magazines requiring four changes to fire 30 aimed shots, it still only takes around 20 seconds to fire the 30 shots. And they als see if an unarmed bystander can take down a shooter in the time it takes to chnge a magazine, and the bystander gets nowhere near the shooter. And the sheriff makes the point that there are already millions of hgh capacity magazines out there. And I might add, the AR15 has a pistol grip, which no one is trying to ban (the gun, yes, the grip no), which demonstrably in the video maes it [possible to change the magazine one handed and barely even move the gun out of line in the process. Clearly the capcity to commit mass murder and the propensity to do it, or mrder that doesn
t rise to the level of mass murder has grown well beyond what a civil society should tolerate. The violation of Americanb civil rights by gun murder is an unacceptable violaton of our founding guarantees.

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@MontereyJack,

Now that you're on this track, you need to cite the instances in which a shooter using an AR-15 murdered a bunch of people by virtue of this magazine-changing strategy.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

very interesting video.

New York reload. Old School. 👍😎

MontereyJack wrote:

Firing an ak 15 or a glock 9mm handgun, even with someone billed as not highly trained, AIMED shots,, even with 6 round magazines requiring four changes to fire 30 aimed shots, it still only takes around 20 seconds to fire the 30 shots. And they als see if an unarmed bystander can take down a shooter in the time it takes to chnge a magazine, and the bystander gets nowhere near the shooter.

It is true that clips and detachable magazines allow rapid reloads.

MontereyJack wrote:

And the sheriff makes the point that there are already millions of high capacity magazines out there.

My old proposal (now rescinded of course) would have addressed that issue.

MontereyJack wrote:

And I might add, the AR15 has a pistol grip, which no one is trying to ban

Here is a post where you approved of banning pistol grips on semi-auto rifles:

http://able2know.org/topic/203766-209#post-5227079

MontereyJack wrote:

(the gun, yes, the grip no),

That is sophistry. "Banning a gun whenever it has a pistol grip on it" is the same thing as "banning pistol grips on that gun."

MontereyJack wrote:

which demonstrably in the video makes it possible to change the magazine one handed and barely even move the gun out of line in the process.

That is incorrect. Pistol grips are not necessary for detachable magazines to function.

MontereyJack wrote:

Clearly the capacity to commit mass murder and the propensity to do it, or murder that doesn't rise to the level of mass murder has grown well beyond what a civil society should tolerate. The violation of American civil rights by gun murder is an unacceptable violation of our founding guarantees.

I don't care.

I oppose all new gun control until you stop violating people's civil liberties for fun, and you compensate the victims of your crimes.

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2 die as at least 12 people shot at party near Greenville, authorities say

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@oralloy,

congratulations on making the case for banning common hunting rifles too.

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@Glennn,

You''re wrong. Just proved the problem is not with magazine size. 6 shot magazines are perfectly capable of killing 30 people in twenty seconds or so from actual video evidence, only takes a second or two to swap magazines.

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