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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 01:01 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Quote:
Those countries have only a tiny percent of the gun crimes that we do.
Violent crime is also very heavily race related.
When I was in practice as a trial attorney, I saw every morning in court,
a line of prisoners in chains, wrist-to-wrist, looking like something
from the pre-Civil War South, with typically maybe 1 or 2 whites or Chinese
out of around 70 blacks, day after day, on their way to be arraigned. That is just eyesight.
The Europeans do not have as many blacks as we do.


That was more likely due to the impoverished situation that those particular African Americans found themselves in, rather than due to their race.

European countries have a lot less poverty.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 01:05 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
oralloy wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Yes, a tiny percent of "gun crimes".....like no other crime exists right?

"Gun crimes" are all that matters.


I can't help but laugh whenever I hear someone quote a "gun crime" statistic like they are representitive of anything important.


Perhaps people who are killed with guns are "more dead" than people who are killed with knives??


Oh, you had not heard that guns are more dangerous than other weapons?


I figured someone killed with a knife was just as dead as someone killed with a gun.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 01:16 pm
David wrote:
I figured someone killed with a knife was just as dead as someone killed with a gun.


I don't know how dead one can be, but according to David, one can come back from death.

Which makes killing someone pointless..
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 01:36 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Oh, you had not heard that guns are more dangerous than other weapons?


This is just simply FALSE.

For example, people are much more likely to survive a gun shot wound than they are a knife wound.
Ceili
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 01:48 pm
Well that depends upon the bullet doesn't it? Some of them rip open and bounce around inside a person, shredding everything including a doctors fingers. A shotgun can blow a whole clean through a body.
It's hard for a classroom to defend against a hail of bullets.... but then again knives aren't nice either.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 02:12 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Advocate wrote:

Oh, you had not heard that guns are more dangerous than other weapons?


This is just simply FALSE.

For example, people are much more likely to survive a gun shot wound than they are a knife wound.


Does tht include a drive-by knife attack?

oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 02:23 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:
Well that depends upon the bullet doesn't it? Some of them rip open and bounce around inside a person, shredding everything including a doctors fingers.


Not really. That was a lie put out by the media (NBC if I recall, but it might have been a different network) because they hate the Constitution.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 02:23 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Oh, you had not heard that guns are more dangerous than other weapons?


This is just simply FALSE.

For example, people are much more likely to survive a gun shot wound than they are a knife wound.


Does tht include a drive-by knife attack?


Do drive-by attacks make someone "more dead" than someone killed in a non-drive-by attack?
Ceili
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 04:00 pm
I'm a Canadian, which one of our network lies?
Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 04:09 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Advocate wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Oh, you had not heard that guns are more dangerous than other weapons?


This is just simply FALSE.

For example, people are much more likely to survive a gun shot wound than they are a knife wound.


Does tht include a drive-by knife attack?


Do drive-by attacks make someone "more dead" than someone killed in a non-drive-by attack?


I see you are now just going to wing it. That ends the conversation for me.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 06:03 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:
I'm a Canadian, which one of our network lies?


No idea.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 06:03 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Advocate wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Oh, you had not heard that guns are more dangerous than other weapons?


This is just simply FALSE.

For example, people are much more likely to survive a gun shot wound than they are a knife wound.


Does tht include a drive-by knife attack?


Do drive-by attacks make someone "more dead" than someone killed in a non-drive-by attack?


I see you are now just going to wing it. That ends the conversation for me.


Asking questions that focus attention on the crux of the issue is winging it?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 06:19 pm
@Francis,
David wrote:
I figured someone killed with a knife was just as dead as someone killed with a gun.

Francis wrote:
Quote:
I don't know how dead one can be, but according to David, one can come back from death.
My surgeon said that I died twice.




Francis wrote:
Quote:
Which makes killing someone pointless..
Maybe, If the dead guy can get to my surgeon fast enuf.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 06:25 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

oralloy wrote:

maporsche wrote:
Yes, a tiny percent of "gun crimes".....like no other crime exists right?

"Gun crimes" are all that matters.


I can't help but laugh whenever I hear someone quote a "gun crime" statistic like they are representitive of anything important.


Perhaps people who are killed with guns are "more dead" than people who are killed with knives??


Oh, you had not heard that guns are more dangerous than other weapons?
Are guns more dangerous than bombs?
than Molotov cocktails ?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 06:31 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:

Well that depends upon the bullet doesn't it? Some of them rip
open and bounce around inside a person, shredding everything
including a doctors fingers. A shotgun can blow a whole clean through a body.
It's hard for a classroom to defend against a hail of bullets....
but then again knives aren't nice either.
Not if that classroom 's students are well armed,
in which case, the murderer 's life woud be over within maybe 2 seconds.

Gun control has slaughtered many innocent people
by making murder more attractive, safer for the murderer,
and by disabling the victims' defenses.

Supporters of gun control are complicit in murders and more murders.





David
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 09:53 am
Gee, I wonder how many people would have been slaughtered at Virginia Tech were the assailant equipped with only knives. He killed over 30 with his guns.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 02:59 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
Gee, I wonder how many people would have been slaughtered at Virginia Tech were the assailant equipped with only knives. He killed over 30 with his guns.


Not likely that someone who was "bent on massacre but denied guns" would fall back to knives.

Most likely if this guy couldn't get guns he would have made pipe bombs and killed even more people than he did with guns.

However, most murders are one-on-one affairs, not huge slaughters like this. Knives would be quite devastating in a one-on-one encounter.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 06:02 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Gee, I wonder how many people would have been slaughtered
at Virginia Tech were the assailant equipped with only knives.
He killed over 30 with his guns.
It was fatally unfortunate
that all of the victims chose to obay all gun control laws and rules.
Even ONE defensive gun in the classroom of victims
woud have slowed or stopped Cho; 5 woud have been more effective.

I wish Cho 's classes of victims had given Cho a 21 gun salute,
as his final event on Earth, to say "Good bye."
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 06:13 pm

I saw on TV that the worst massacre at any school
was effected by a disgruntled maintenance man in the early 1900s
in Upstate NY. He was a sapper. He made a big bomb,
and blew up the school, something like an early version of Tim McVeigh.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 06:19 pm
@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

Gee, I wonder how many people would have been slaughtered at Virginia Tech
were the assailant equipped with only knives. He killed over 30 with his guns.
I believe that it woud be more creatively productive, Advocate,
to think of a paradigm shift whereby we islolate dangerous psychotics,
preventing them from having access to the decent people.

Cho was very, very persona non grata
with his family and his extended family back in Korea,
going back for YEARS.

He was known to be extremely crazy.


As a society, we are guilty of gross negligence
by allowing dangerous psychotics like Cho
to roam around freely.
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