Guns: how much longer will it take ....

This is great folks, we used to be the country that put a man on the moon.......we aren't that smart or dedicated anymore. Oh well, some of us tried and some of us are defeatist.

What is it with progressives and virtue signaling anyway? It's really quite silly.

/shakes head

What is it with RW snowflakes and their guns, anyways?

Snowflakes? Don't be silly.

The reason why we won't let progressives violate our civil liberties is because we value freedom.

Perhaps it was the military using the AR and wanting to continuing using it when Colts lobbyists got Congress involved force the M-16 down its throat.


https://military.wikia.org/wiki/AR-15

The AR-15 comes in many sizes and has many options, depending on the manufacturer. The part shown bottom center is the lower receiver with pistol grip and trigger assembly. Under U.S. law the receiver alone is the component legally considered the "firearm".
Type Semi-automatic rifle / service rifle
Place of origin United States
Service history
In service 1958–present
Production history
Designer Eugene Stoner
Designed 1957
Manufacturer ArmaLite, Double D Armory, LTD, Lewis Machine and Tool, Colt, Bushmaster, Rock River Arms, Stag Arms, DPMS Panther Arms, Olympic Arms, and others.
Specifications
Weight 2.27 kg–3.9 kg (5.5–8.5 lb)
Barrel length * 24 in (610mm)

20 in (508 mm) standard
18 in (457 mm)
16 in (406 mm)
14.5 in (368 mm)
11.5 in (292 mm)
7 in (178 mm)
6.5 in (165mm)

Cartridge .223 Remington, 5.56 NATO
Action Direct impingement / Rotating bolt
Rate of fire 800 rounds/min (fully automatic versions only)[1][2][3]
Muzzle velocity 975 m/s (3,200 ft/s)[4]
Effective range 400–600 m (avg 547 yd)[5][6][7]
Feed system Various STANAG magazines.
Sights Adjustable front and rear iron sights
Modified AR-15

Modified AR-15

The AR-15 is a lightweight, 5.56 mm/.223-caliber, magazine-fed, air cooled rifle with a rotating-lock bolt, actuated by direct impingement gas operation or long/short stroke piston operation. It has been produced in many different versions, including numerous semi-automatic and selective fire variants. It is manufactured with extensive use of aluminum alloys and synthetic materials.

The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a small arms rifle for the United States armed forces.[8] Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. After modifications (most notably the relocation of the charging handle from under the carrying handle like the AR-10 to the rear of the receiver), the new redesigned rifle was subsequently adopted as the M16 rifle.[9] Colt then started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 for civilian sales in 1963 and the term has been used to refer to semiautomatic-only versions of the rifle since then.[10] Although the name "AR-15" remains a Colt registered trademark, variants of the firearm are independently made, modified and sold under various names by multiple manufacturers.
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HistoryEdit

The AR-15 is based on the 7.62 mm AR-10, designed by Eugene Stoner, Robert Fremont, and L. James Sullivan of the Fairchild ArmaLite corporation.[11] The AR-15 was developed as a lighter, 5.56 mm version of the AR-10. The "AR" in all AR pattern rifles stands for Armalite Rifle[12], and can be found on many of the company's firearms: AR-5 a .22 caliber rifle, the AR-7, another .22 caliber, the AR-17 shotgun, in addition to the AR-10 semi-automatic rifle.
1973 Colt AR15 SP1

1973 Colt AR-15 SP1 rifle with 'slab side' lower receiver (lacking raised boss around magazine release button) and original Colt 20 round box magazine

ArmaLite sold its rights to the AR-10 and AR-15 to Colt in 1959. After a tour by Colt of the Far East, the first sale of AR-15s was made to Malaya on September 30, 1959, with Colt's manufacture of their first 300 AR-15s in December 1959.[13] Colt marketed the AR-15 rifle to various military services around the world, including the U.S. Navy, Air Force, Army, and Marine Corps. The AR-15 was eventually adopted by the United States military under the designation M16. Colt continued to use the AR-15 trademark for its semi-automatic variants (AR-15, AR-15A2) which were marketed to civilian and law-enforcement customers. The original AR-15 was a very lightweight weapon, weighing less than 6 pounds with empty magazine. Later heavy-barrel versions of the civilian AR-15 can weigh upwards of 8.5 lb.[14]

What makes the AR-15 an assault weapon
The Economist explains
Jun 15th 2016

by S.M. | NEW YORK

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2016/06/15/what-makes-the-ar-15-an-assault-weapon

ON JUNE 12th Omar Mateen killed 49 people and injured 53 with a 9mm handgun and a semi-automatic gun called the Sig Sauer MCX, an AR-15-style rifle trumpeted by its manufacturer as “the first true mission-adaptable weapon system” which “eclipses everything that came before it”. Despite having been under FBI investigation in 2013 and 2014, Mr Mateen faced no obstacles when buying these weapons in the days before he walked into Pulse, a gay nightclub, in Orlando, Florida, and sprayed revellers with bullets. Many commentators are wondering anew why such a dangerous weapon is freely available for civilian purchase. The AR-15 has been the gun of choice in several other recent mass shootings, including the killing of 14 people attending a holiday party last December in San Bernardino, California; the murder of 12 in a movie theatre in Aurora, Colorado in 2012; and, later that year, the slaughter of 26 children and staff members at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.


The National Rifle Association (NRA) muses that the “AR” could stand for “America’s rifle”, as the AR-15 is the nation’s most popular long gun, with as many as 10m units in circulation. People gravitate to the AR-15 for hunting, sport shooting and self-defence, the NRA says, because “it is customisable, adaptable, reliable and accurate” as well as lightweight and easy to modify. Whereas its fully-automatic military cousin, the M16, shares its looks, the AR-15 shoots only one round per trigger-pull. It is thus a misnomer, gun-rights advocates say, to call the AR-15 a military-style “assault rifle”, a term that has been in use since Nazi Germany introduced the Sturmgewehr in 1944 (which in turn inspired the Soviet AK-47). Unlike fully automatic rifles, which can fire 750 to 900 rounds per minute and are available only to the armed forces, the AR-15 and its kin (sold by the millions to the general public) can muster only about 45 to 60. But as the Orlando tragedy showed, this circumscribed capacity can still be highly lethal.

Gun-control advocates began using the term “assault weapons” to refer to semi-automatic firearms like the AR-15 in the 1980s. In the wake of a school shooting in Stockton, California, the first President Bush approved a measure to prohibit importing such guns in 1989. In 1994, Bill Clinton signed the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, a law restricting the manufacture of large-capacity magazines and a large range of semi-automatic firearms. But due to a ten-year sunset provision, the ban was lifted in 2004 and efforts to reinstate it—along with attempts to pass other gun-control measures—have failed. Gun-rights advocates complain that the “assault” moniker is meaningless. It is used by gun-shy activists, a National Review article says, as “a sharp and effective tool with which the enemies of the right to keep and bear arms have sought to sow confusion, fear and ignorance”. The guns falling under the “assault” umbrella are “a set of quotidian weapons that have never posed much of a problem to anybody”.

After another mass shooting in which an AR-15 most certainly posed a problem to many people trapped inside a nightclub, such a blasé approach to powerful civilian weapons may be harder to maintain. Ludwig Wittgenstein, a great 20th-century philosopher and a veteran of the first world war, wrote in his “Philosophical Investigations” that when “we employ the word ‘meaning’,’’ we are most often referring to the everyday purpose of some phrase. “The meaning of a word”, he wrote, “is its use in the language”. By that sensible if trivial standard: if an AR-15 can be used to assault large crowds of people, killing and maiming scores of them, on multiple occasions, it qualifies as an assault weapon.
The Economist explains
Jun 15th 2016

by S.M. | NEW YORK

Nothing makes a semi-auto-only AR-15 an assault weapon.

Assault weapons:

a) are capable of either full-auto or burst-fire,

b) accept detachable magazines,

c) fire rounds that are less powerful than a standard deer rifle, and

d) are effective at a range of 300 meters.


This means that semi-auto-only guns are not assault weapons.

This means that guns with fixed magazines are not assault weapons.

This means that guns that fire rounds equal-to or greater-than the power of a standard deer rifle are not assault weapons.

This means that guns that fire handgun/shotgun/rimfire rounds are not assault weapons.

You do know that AR-15's have "detachable magizines" and are easily made fully automatic, right?

Why is fully auto such an important factor to you when burning through two clips is enough to make an M-16 too hot to fire? Maybe if you'd put your walk where your talk is and actually enlisted you'd know a couple of things.

AR-15s are not easily made full auto.



The capability of full-auto or burst-fire is part of the definition of assault weapon.



You shouldn't be so dishonest. I always put my walk where my talk is.

You and farmerman are the only people here who have established that they don't know anything about guns.

Typically non responsive AND nonfactual response.

Just get in one of your favorite dark portal websites and you'll see how wrong you are.

The guy from the Democratic Underground is talking about dark sites?

I deleted a post to one of you because, I find that you are a worthless, lying sack of excrement whose claims to fame are not based on reality.

FACT: "assault weapon" is a title that was employed within the enabling legislation of the 1994 ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN (temp)

FACT:My experience and training with weapons and explosives (Still licensed in several states and DOE),is probably only topped by George ob who handled much larger ordnance than I was ever used to deploying.

FACT: several types of semi-auto assault style weapons are easily converted to full auto (3shot burst or multi shot ) by merely installing the works from 3 separate kits , all available at gun shows.

Im getting out of this thread because its toxic and I dont wanna be connected to it any longer, as if I am responsible. I know Ive added to the toxicity but Im sure many of you will carry on .

Let me preface by acknowledging Farmerman's experience with weapons. I have no doubt that he has and continues to use weapons and has enough experience to be able to discuss them. But...





I am not sure how Bobsal and Farmerman get the idea that a semi-auto AR-15 can be made full-auto or burst fire able.

The ONLY way to do that is to buy a fully automatic or burst fire able AR-15. A civilian AR-15 CANNOT be made to auto or burst fire without COMPLETELY re-manufacturing it.

Can we please stop with that line of BS.

That doesn't really sound like "COMPLETELY re-manufacturing it".

Bump-stocks are illegal. But since you're obsessing on them, when has anyone used a rifle with a bump-stock to murder someone? And before you mention the Las Vegas shooting, that guy used twenty rifles with bump-stocks and large capacity magazines. That makes that shooting an exception to the rule, and not the rule. That's why I'm asking you how many murders you are aware of in which an AR-15 had been used that had been converted to an automatic rifle, and how many murders you are aware of in which the shooter using an AR-15 had a bump-stock attachment.

https://www.opticsforyou.com/slide-fire-solutions-ssar-15-ogr-rifle-stock.html

Don't be silly. Pointing out that you are wrong is very much responsive.

And it is very much factual too, as it happens.

Shame on you for resorting to childish name-calling simply because you cannot defend your claims using facts or logic.



The fact that progressives concoct fraudulent definitions for words doesn't seem very relevant to anything.

But if you like we can consider it agreed that progressives concoct such fraudulent definitions.



When do you think they will teach you that the proper way to fire a rifle requires aiming it?



It also requires knowing your way around the inside of a gun, and specialized knowledge of the exact spot to drill to install the parts.

Without such knowledge, trying to do such a conversion would most likely result in a ruined gun.

You are the source of at least 99% of the toxicity.

As Glennn just pointed out, bump stocks are illegal.