Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@oralloy,

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Polls suggest that Americans tend to favour the Democrats’ approach. According to a survey conducted in March 2019 by the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research (AP-NORC), 67% of Americans support stronger gun laws, up from 55% in October 2013; 10% think they should be relaxed (down from about 14%); 22% think the existing gun laws should be left alone (down from 28%). Roughly 60% of Americans think military-style semi-automatic weapons, of the sort used in this weekend’s shootings, should be banned outright.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/08/05/americans-increasingly-favour-tighter-gun-control

My prediction is...legislation on gun reform is forthcoming.

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@neptuneblue,

neptuneblue wrote:

My prediction is...legislation on gun reform is forthcoming.

We'll see.

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Gun Appreciation Day: Five injured at three gun shows

Austin Ehlinger helps hold a banner during a Guns Across America rally in Austin, Texas. Also Saturday, five people in three states were wounded in gun accidents.
(Eric Gay /Associated Press)
By Andrew Khouri

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-xpm-2013-jan-19-la-na-nn-gun-appreciation-day-five-injured-at-three-different-gun-shows-20130119-story.html

At gun shows in Indiana, Ohio and North Carolina, a total of five people were injured Saturday in accidental shootings as people flocked to the events on what was marketed as Gun Appreciation Day.

In Ohio, Medina Police Chief Patrick Berarducci said a 62-year-old man was shot in the arm when his friend, a firearms dealer, accidentally discharged the gun he had purchased from an attendee.

The man was taken to a local Ohio hospital, where he was treated for injuries to his arm and leg. Berarducci said the man will probably stay in the hospital overnight, but described him as in “good spirits.”

Berarducci told the Los Angeles Times that the gun show at the county fairgrounds was so busy that police had to limit the number of people entering.

Meanwhile, in Indianapolis, a man at the Indy 1500 Gun and Knife Show shot his hand as he unloaded a .45-caliber semiautomatic, the Associated Press said.

Three people were also injured at the Dixie Gun and Knife Show in Raleigh, N.C., when a 12-gauge shotgun filled with bird shot accidentally discharged, authorities said.

The injuries came on Gun Appreciation Day, promoted by a Republican consulting firm. The group had urged people to go to their local gun range, gun store or gun show as a protest to stricter gun laws proposed by President Obama this week.

Separately, thousands rallied in state capitals across the country in protest of stricter gun laws.

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@Glennn,

1. Automatic fire isn't the only qualification,
2. Filing the sear which takes less than 10 minutes makes it an automatic weapon. All the recent mass shootings used automatic AR-15s.

You are a disingenuous arguer.

What percentage of AR-15s do you think haven't been modified in some way?

Why do we need further outrages to find out if a specific AR-15 is legal or not???

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@oralloy,

Which any nitwit with less than $100, or the time (10 min or less), or access to the internet, or a publication from that jackass in Colorado can accomplish tout sweet. Don't you think you're not smart enough to do it? I bet if you have an AR-15 you've either done it or looked into it.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Not even close. You need specific parts. You need a pattern to show where to install those specific parts. And you need to know what you're doing or you will wreck the gun.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

1. Automatic fire isn't the only qualification,

But it's one of them.

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

2. Filing the sear which takes less than 10 minutes makes it an automatic weapon.

That isn't true.

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

All the recent mass shootings used automatic AR-15s.

That isn't true either.

In fact, not one of these massacres used a full-auto.

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

You are a disingenuous arguer.

You can't point out anything that he is wrong about.

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@bobsal u1553115,

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All the recent mass shootings used automatic AR-15s.

You are a disingenuous arguer.

Okay, you just lost all your credibility; that is, unless you can cite something to show that all the recent mass shootings involved automatic AR-15s.

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@Glennn,

I've lost my credibility? How do you explain 50-60 people down in literally seconds? Twitchy trigger finger? Have you seen the videos of the Cincinnati shooter firing bursts just before cops shot him down inches in front of the bar he was making for? Do you really thing the Garlic festival shooter went through all the trouble to illegally buy an AR-15 but respected the Federal laws about making it auto? These guys kill but don't otherwise break laws?

They use AR-15s for one reason: its the gold standard in easily obtainable assault weapons, not because they respect weapons laws.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Yes, you've lost your credibility.

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Do you really thing the Garlic festival shooter went through all the trouble to illegally buy an AR-15 but respected the Federal laws about making it auto?

What I think is that you have once again failed to cite anything to prove your claim that all of the recent mass shootings involved automatic AR-15s.

To repeat, you've lost your credibility because you've shown that you are willing to make **** up in order to bolster your position.

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@bobsal u1553115,

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I've lost my credibility?

When you make things up to try to prove a point, yes, you lose credibility.

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How do you explain 50-60 people down in literally seconds?

You must be confusing one shooting with another. The only people who had that amount of kills, were the Pulse shooter and the Las Vegas shooter. One was because of the small space he was shooting in, another because he used a bump stock for 10 minutes... no "automatic AR15's."

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Twitchy trigger finger?

No, he just pulled the trigger really fast.

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Have you seen the videos of the Cincinnati shooter firing bursts just before cops shot him down inches in front of the bar he was making for?

I haven't seen any video's of the actual shooter shooting anyone, just the footage of him trying to gain access to the bar and getting 6 LEO's mag dumping on his ass and him going down very quickly.

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Do you really thing the Garlic festival shooter went through all the trouble to illegally buy an AR-15 but respected the Federal laws about making it auto?

He legally purchased his gun in Nevada and illegal brought it to CA... see, you are making things up. The only shooter to illegally buy his weapon was the spree shooter from Texas, he was a felon.

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These guys kill but don't otherwise break laws?

There is no data on any of these guns being altered prior to the shootings. If they had been altered, it would have been all over the news. No reports, so it didn't happen, stop making things up so you an ban guns.

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They use AR-15s for one reason: its the gold standard in easily obtainable assault weapons, not because they respect weapons laws.

The AR15 isn't an assault weapon, it's a plain semi-auto rifle, no different than the Ruger Ranch Rifle.

They use AR15's because they are the most popular rifle sold in the US, it has nothing to do with their "lethality". If they wanted lethal, they would go with a larger round, like the 308 or ak47 round. .223 is nothing more than a varmint round, it's about the same size as a .22LR

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@bobsal u1553115,

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Have you seen the videos of the Cincinnati shooter firing bursts

You mean this Cincinnati shooter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOkF0tQEnbM
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You did it again. You lied. First you lied about automatic AR-15s being used in all of the recent mass shootings. And now you're lying about the Cincinnati shooter firing bursts of fire. And then there's the people who decided to support you in your blatant lies by giving you four thumbs up. Well done, thumbers. Well done!

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@Glennn,

He claims to be a vet, but he continues to use the wrong words to describe the guns and how they operate, it makes me wonder if he's lying about being a vet.

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@Baldimo,

Making excuses for why someone shot so many people so quickly just does not cut it. The dayton shooter was widely reported as shooting 36 people in 33 seconds. Thats plenty horrible enough for most people. Where are these shootings happening. Whefre there are a lot of people at once. Schools theaters walmarts festivals bars clubs sports events offices in othher wordd damned ne s r everywhere people gather.. He country is sick of ig and gun activists and the nra just sit around navel gazing.
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@MontereyJack,

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Making excuses for why someone shot so many people so quickly just does not cut it.

No one has made any excuses.

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The dayton shooter was widely reported as shooting 36 people in 33 seconds. Thats plenty horrible enough for most people.

He did shoot a lot of people in a shot amount of time, but that has nothing to do with the weapon he was using being automatic, it was a semi-auto rifle. He pulled the trigger really fast, you can do that with any gun, it doesn't make it an automatic.

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Where are these shootings happening.

Many of them happen in "gun free zones", where guns are not allowed by law.

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Whefre there are a lot of people at once. Schools theaters walmarts festivals bars clubs sports events offices in othher wordd damned ne s r everywhere people gather..

I'll point it out again, they happen in "gun free zones", where people are unarmed and the shooter knows this.

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He country is sick of ig and gun activists and the nra just sit around navel gazing.

Just because they don't come up with the same "idea's" about gun violence doesn't mean they are doing nothing.

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Just because they don't come up with the same "idea's" about gun violence doesn't mean they are doing nothing.

Ok, I'll bite.

Who are these "people" and what "something" are they doing?

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@neptuneblue,

NRA ordering Trump to drop the background check idea?

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@neptuneblue,

They're vociferously blaming violent music videos and video games.

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@RABEL222,

We work with politicians to oppose new gun laws. We don't "order" them to do so.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

I've lost my credibility?

Yes.

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

How do you explain 50-60 people down in literally seconds?

He used a 100 round drum magazine.

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

They use AR-15s for one reason: its the gold standard in easily obtainable assault weapons, not because they respect weapons laws.

Semi-auto rifles are not assault weapons.

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