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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 12:07 pm
@Glennn,
The issue isn't whether a pistol grip increases or decreases the deadliness of a firearm. All firearms are deadly.

The issue is whether a pistol grip is or is not a necessary item to a firearm to consider it a component versus an add-on product that is not essential to render a firearm useless without it. Therefore a pistol grip can be excluded from Strict Scrutiny and not applicable to the 2nd Amendment.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 12:15 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
The issue isn't whether a pistol grip increases or decreases the deadliness of a firearm.

Um, yeah, the issue is whether or not a pistol grip makes a rifle more deadly. If it doesn't, then there is no issue with it. But you want to use this non issue as a reason to ban something that is a non issue. See how silly that sounds?
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 12:17 pm
@Glennn,
I take Strict Scrutiny very seriously.

I'm sorry you don't.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 12:19 pm
@neptuneblue,
I take inconsistent reasoning as a sign of false convictions.

I'm sorry you don't.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 12:19 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
You have changed the meaning of a pistol grip.

No I haven't.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 12:20 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Repeating untruths doesn't make them truths.

You cannot point out anything untrue in my posts.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 12:21 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
There's also no conclusive proof that a pistol grip in a necessary item to a fire arm. Therefore, banning is an accurate measure.

I'm a little unclear what you mean by "accurate measure", but restrictions on a fundamental right are allowed only if the restriction can be justified as serving a compelling government interest.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 12:23 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
What you think is a "fact" doesnt make it so.

Your inability to point out anything that I'm wrong about speaks for itself.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 12:24 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
The issue is whether a pistol grip is or is not a necessary item to a firearm to consider it a component versus an add-on product that is not essential to render a firearm useless without it. Therefore a pistol grip can be excluded from Strict Scrutiny and not applicable to the 2nd Amendment.

That is incorrect. Guns are covered by the Second Amendment. And pistol grips are components of guns.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 12:35 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Forward grips

A forward grip often pops up in proposed gun legislation as one of the factors to define an assault weapon.

These devices can be attached to the lower end of the gun's barrel and held by the shooter's non-trigger hand. This becomes extremely helpful in steadying a gun that might begin to shake or become unsteady during rapid fire.

"As for the non-shooting hand, the presence of a protruding grip located in front of the trigger allows the shooter to grasp the gun tightly with both hands, gaining leverage over an unruly weapon," the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence warned in a 2003 paper on the dangers of assault weapons.

And they're cheap. Forward grips listed online sell anywhere from $10 to $150.

New York's SAFE Act, passed in 2013, bans the use of forward grips, as well as bayonet mounts.


https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/assault-weapons-sinister-accessories-bump-stocks-article-1.3543115

Again, if it is a detachable item, not necessary for the firearm to be used, then it is classified as an accessory,
oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 12:41 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
if it is a detachable item, not necessary for the firearm to be used, then it is classified as an accessory,

That is irrelevant. They can still be restricted only if there is a compelling government interest in restricting them.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 12:57 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
allows the shooter to grasp the gun tightly with both hands, gaining leverage over an unruly weapon

An AR-15 has very little recoil. Referring to it as an unruly weapon is just more hysterics. So now you've appealed to a supposed authority who has arbitrarily decided to call a semiautomatic rifle with very little recoil an "unruly weapon."

Now what?
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 01:17 pm
Plus, who told you that a murderer in a mass-shooting scenario doesn't slow down enough in-between shots to level their aim on their next target? That might be an issue if the AR-15 was an actual assault weapon set on automatic fire, but it's not.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 02:25 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
Now what?


Ban them.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 02:35 pm
@neptuneblue,
The NRA is not going to allow you to violate people's civil liberties, no matter how much you enjoy doing so.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 02:37 pm
@oralloy,
They were banned once, it will happen again.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 02:39 pm
@neptuneblue,
No. What's going to happen is: the nation will get no new gun laws of any sort, and the massacres will continue unabated.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 02:40 pm
@oralloy,
That, of course, is your opinion.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 02:44 pm
@neptuneblue,
Actually no. That was a prediction.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 8 Sep, 2019 02:53 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
Ban them.

Yeah, ban those "unruly weapons." Thank you for once again demonstrating the reactive hysterics behind the reasoning of those who want to ban pistol grips on rifles that have very little recoil.
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