Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

so controlling the rate of fire is a desirable thing in your mind?

Have you managed to come up with a persuasive argument that full-auto is not particularly dangerous?

@oralloy,

Have you managed to come up with evidence that semi-auto rate of fire isn't particularly dangerous? 36 deaths and woundings in 33 seconds from semi-auto fire by any reasonable standards is dangerous.

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@oralloy,

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What else do you expect when you take a position that is backed by neither facts nor logic?

Ask that question of yourself.

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@MontereyJack,

I can provide facts and logic to back up my positions.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Have you managed to come up with evidence that semi-auto rate of fire isn't particularly dangerous?

Yes. Some time ago I came up with the fact that semi-auto actions do not produce a rate of aimed fire that is much faster than lever- and pump-actions produce.

MontereyJack wrote:

36 deaths and woundings in 33 seconds from semi-auto fire by any reasonable standards is dangerous.

It's no worse than 36 deaths and woundings in 33 seconds from lever- or pump-action fire.

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@oralloy,

Nonsense. When asked to back up your oosts you don't, but try to divert. You name call with the best. "Demented" in your recent post springs to mind.

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@oralloy,

You have now made the point that lever and pump action guns are extremely dangerous as well as semi-and full-auto. Good work in shooting yourself in the foot.

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@MontereyJack,

My position is unharmed. Besides, all I did was state facts.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Nonsense. When asked to back up your posts you don't, but try to divert.

You cannot provide a single example of me ever doing such a thing.

MontereyJack wrote:

You name call with the best. "Demented" in your recent post springs to mind.

That I find progressive ideology to be demented is hardly name-calling or a personal attack.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

They are components of guns.

I've done some research and I cannot find any schematic that conclusively proves pistol grips are a component of a gun. Please cite your reference.

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@oralloy,

Name calling is name calling, whether personal or not. Repeating nonsense endlessly does not make it sense.

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@MontereyJack,

Finding progressive ideology to be demented is not name-calling.

You cannot provide any examples of me ever posting nonsense.

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@neptuneblue,

neptuneblue wrote:

I've done some research and I cannot find any schematic that conclusively proves pistol grips are a component of a gun. Please cite your reference.

Come on now. This is sealioning.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_grip

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@oralloy,

You have changed the meaning of a pistol grip.

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@oralloy,

Repeating untruths doesn't make them truths.

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@neptuneblue,

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And some how that makes you feel oh so much safer or smarter than the rest of us?

So, to paraphrase your answer here, you're saying that you could not find any studies or reports to substantiate some peoples' belief that a pistol grip increases the deadliness of a rifle.

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@oralloy,

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The US Army adopted a weapon with full-auto capability. Glennn was referring to a semi-auto-only gun.

Yeah, here's how these conversations go:

"The AR-15 is a weapon of war."

"No they're not."

"Yes they are."

"No, they're semiautomatic rifles."

"But the military uses it."

"No they don't."

"But they have a pistol grip."

"Can you cite something to show that a pistol grip makes a rifle more deadly?"

"Give me a ******* break."

"I'm sorry, but that's not a citation to something that will show that a pistol grip makes a rifle more deadly."
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And then they start all over.

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@Glennn,

Nope, nary a one.

There's also no conclusive proof that a pistol grip in a necessary item to a fire arm. Therefore, banning is an accurate measure.

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@oralloy,

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Yes. Some time ago I came up with the fact that semi-auto actions do not produce a rate of aimed fire that is much faster than lever- and pump-actions produce.

What you think is a "fact" doesnt make it so.
Id say that the rate of fire is inversely proportional to the number of rounds expended, and that the rates of fire decrese much more steeply on lever or pump actions than semis, (with accuracy similarly affected)

Pistol grips are an accout whrein semis and full autos with short barrels are more used for urban assault. Busting into a room tith 32" Henry may get you killed.

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@neptuneblue,

That's some pretty flawed thinking you got going there. A pistol grip does not increase the deadliness of a rifle, but you believe that it's necessary to get those things off those rifles.

Hysterical much?

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