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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 12:43 pm
@snood,
Quote:
pointless dialogue

I am not going to argue about pointless dialogue with a Left wing sycophant. Pointless is the almost three years of contrived lies with no results but more division and nothing getting done for Americans, while the life of illegals has improved and the numbers have substantially increased. The destruction of America begun by Obama is still alive and well, with people like you that insist on robbing future generations of the rights we enjoy. It is selfish and pathetic, and frankly evil.

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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 12:48 pm
@snood,
There is a possible course of action: banning all of those evil conservatives from this board. Of course, all you'd be left with is an echo chamber; but that's what would make you happy.

Discussions at A2K? What a laugh. There has never been a genuine discussion here. Only arguments that have usually involved personal insults. Most of the members of this board are close-minded and intolerant. I dare say some of these "progressives" have an authoritarian personality. They're the mirror image of Archie Bunker, and they're ready to pounce on anyone who doesn't agree with them. They stopped learning many years ago. Their arrogance is a manifestation of their conceit. They couldn't possibly be wrong about anything. Why would they ever be wrong? They're special people, after all!

Snood, you'd love Democratic Underground. Ain't no conservatives there. Bobsal (under the username "marble falls") is there! Smile
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 01:09 pm
@wmwcjr,
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"marble falls"

"marble head" would be better. Excellent post, BTW.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 02:45 pm
@wmwcjr,
Im sure all the many conservatives that post hgere would NEVER stoop so low as to engage in dumb assertions, empty fact pads, and flinging insults at those who dont agree with them.

I posted a few pages back that noone on either side of the issue really seems to be interested in solving this problem so (I believe) when it does get solved it will be in a fashion that leaves us like Switzerland. Im a hunter a shooter and a weapon carrier for my trips in the deep field. I dont see a need for anything that carries a high cap clip or rapid fire. Its a design implementation that only allows for killing humans. Bears dont travel in herds and anyone with woods savvy knows the signs that a bear will give when its irratable, hunting, protecting young, or just plain horny. So you dint need to spray and pray. Same thing with moose . Pumas are all solitary beings . Im most afraid or rattlesnakes mocassins and wild pigs.
When I listen to some of these guys , Ive noticed that many of the ultra gun nutz dont seem to vibe with any experience, several of them actually come off downright ignorant.


MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 02:46 pm
@wmwcjr,
You do, orshould, realize that what you accuse liberal posters here of is precisely applicable to conservative posters here as well, even more so.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 02:54 pm
@wmwcjr,
making believe that youre victimized is the only reason that you guys need to start whining (just like you just did). Cmon, get a pair and stand for your own worldview. Dont be suckin up to the last guy who writes in pink letters.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 02:59 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
making believe that youre victimized

That is laughable when you side thrives on victim hood. The Democratic base are all victims, and wicked ones at that. Try again.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 03:39 pm
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:

There is a possible course of action: banning all of those evil conservatives from this board. Of course, all you'd be left with is an echo chamber; but that's what would make you happy.

Discussions at A2K? What a laugh. There has never been a genuine discussion here. Only arguments that have usually involved personal insults. Most of the members of this board are close-minded and intolerant. I dare say some of these "progressives" have an authoritarian personality. They're the mirror image of Archie Bunker, and they're ready to pounce on anyone who doesn't agree with them. They stopped learning many years ago. Their arrogance is a manifestation of their conceit. They couldn't possibly be wrong about anything. Why would they ever be wrong? They're special people, after all!


Snood, you'd love Democratic Underground. Ain't no conservatives there. Bobsal (under the username "marble falls") is there! Smile


Opposing views arewhat make a political forum worth the effort of posting in. You are correct that I am terrible at accommodating or even tolerating the views of those with whom I disagree. I try to scrape up some kind of meaningful exchange here whenever I can, and I admit I need to work on it.

But, I will disrespect and disregard those I choose to. That is not all those I disagree with, but a handful. That 3 or 4 people are those that don’t add anything useful to any conversation, and beyond that, I’m not even sure their words are posted in good faith. I think they’re basically flamers and trolls, and if you don’t appreciate the way I interact (or don’t interact) with them, I’m going to have to just let that be your problem, not mine.

I’ve posted on Democratic Underground and a couple other places. Part of what gets me back to A2K is several posters who, although I completely disagree with their opinions, still say intelligent things that make me think - often in spite of myself. If I named those people, they might not even believe I read and think about their posts.

Something else - I don’t always agree with all of those here who claim to be democrats or progressives, so this idea that we’d be happy clams without opposition is also bollocks.

farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 04:23 pm
now if I smile quietly at your post, I will be accused of cronyism.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 04:26 pm
@snood,
democrats dont share the same gene pool .The reason there's so many announced candidates for the 2020 election is that if you get three dems together, we are served up with 4 different POVs
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 05:48 pm
@farmerman,
And if you get a th0usand conservatives together you will have a thousand cases of brain rigor mortis.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 05:55 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Oralloy's sociopathy has been pointed out before. He doesn't seem capable of normal human emotions, just fear, hate and obeisance. Normal human emotions like empathy and compassion would seem fake because they're beyond his comprehension.

No such sociopathy. Leftist phony outrage is labeled as fake because it is fake.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 05:57 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Im sure all the many conservatives that post hgere would NEVER stoop so low as to engage in dumb assertions, empty fact pads, and flinging insults at those who dont agree with them.

Indeed. Those are leftist tactics.


farmerman wrote:
I posted a few pages back that noone on either side of the issue really seems to be interested in solving this problem so (I believe) when it does get solved it will be in a fashion that leaves us like Switzerland.

Attempts to pass EU-like gun laws in the US would not be an attempt to solve problems. It would just be leftists trying to violate civil liberties for fun.

And no, these leftist attempts to violate our civil liberties for fun will always be defeated.

Obama devoted the entire first 100 days of his second term to trying to violate our civil liberties for fun. We stopped him cold and destroyed his presidency.

We can do that as many times as we have to.


As for actually solving the problem of people deciding to murder other people, the only way to do that is to help these people have better lives so that life does not feel so meaningless to them.


farmerman wrote:
Im a hunter a shooter and a weapon carrier for my trips in the deep field. I dont see a need for anything that carries a high cap clip or rapid fire. Its a design implementation that only allows for killing humans.

Varmint hunters would disagree with you. They often use large magazines.

That said, defense against humans is an important reason why people carry guns.


farmerman wrote:
When I listen to some of these guys , Ive noticed that many of the ultra gun nutz dont seem to vibe with any experience, several of them actually come off downright ignorant.

You talk big, but you can't back up any of this empty talking by actually pointing out something that we're wrong about.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 06:02 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
You do, or should, realize that what you accuse liberal posters here of is precisely applicable to conservative posters here as well, even more so.

That is incorrect. Conservatives make factual posts and can back up their facts with sound logic and reliable cites.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 06:03 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
That 3 or 4 people are those that don’t add anything useful to any conversation, and beyond that, I’m not even sure their words are posted in good faith. I think they’re basically flamers and trolls

Those would be the people who post facts that are inconvenient to leftist ideology.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 07:07 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Another mass shooting. This time in Va Beach, a summer hangout for all kinds of folks including the military.
It was a "hybrid". The nut was armed with maxi clips for his auto-45 pistol and semi auto long guns with extended mags.

Apparently Nothing will come of it except truck loads of "hearts, prayers, and wishes" for the victims families. So much Bullshit and cowardice by the gun nut community, they will preach their rights but will never get involved in solving a major problem as this . They are always silent ,or else they argue silly pre-scripted crap like your
"Its all about pistol grips".

Itll be generational but I can guarantee that, because the unlimited gun rights "community" will not offer to join in a bi partisan solution today, when the time does arise that gun control is enacted, it will be an "in our face" overall mindless control , or something like Switzerland where, you can keep guns but must sign for ALL ammo.

Im a sportsman, a deep woods walker in my career, as well and a farmer who does varmint fox and coyote control, and Im engaged in long range target shooting , Id not like a law that gets abusively controlling but a law that deals with the accouterments of death and their availability as well as dealing with the pathology of gun death but does it in a well thought out way.

UK and much of Europe practice out and out limitation ven to sportsmen. Switzerland makes noise like its a free gun state but when you got nothing you can load into your gun and you need a real rason to acquire ammo, (otherwise you go to gaol)


I've been absent from A2K discussion for a bit, but I come back to the same ol' same ol'... "We want meaningful, responsible gun control." (not suggesting this is what you have said)

What does that mean?

If you want to ban guns or ban ammo or ban whatever, say so. I've read your post twice as I still believe that you are a sane voice on the left. But what are you saying? We should copy Switzerland? NYC has more people in it than all of Switzerland. They have extremely harsh gun laws, yet somehow, American ingenuity comes up with ways to kill people anyways.

I really wish you guys could come up with an actual explanation of what it is you want to see. Should only responsible liberals be allowed to own guns? Should there be a test? What about all the existing guns? (You ain't getting mine will be a common phrase)

These mass shootings suck. They really do and I wish they didn't happen.

But, do background checks on new purchases, make shooting people illegal, put people on the streets with guns to police behavior.. these are the things we can do and remain a free nation.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 07:23 pm
@McGentrix,
NO, Im observing that, without both sides trying to meet to do more than jut holler insults and epithets and demonizing ach other and calling each other "anti American or anti safety" (Both sides act idiotically IMHO), the ultimate change WILL occur at some time when the supreme court is loaded in the other direction and we become LIKE Switzerland and my needs as a hunter and those that envision themselves as "protectors of freedom" will neither be satisfied because an extreme faction of gun control will probably be enacted.
MIne wasnt a recipe, it was me just me being frustrated by continued and increasing danger to our people with neither side attempting to give an inch. Unlike Israel here people are enured to rocket attack, e may become similarly hqrdened to a fact that anyone of our loved ones can be snuffed out by folks exerting their " 2nd Amendment rights" (while having several other of their civil rights violated by that one act of terror).

Sorry if I didnt come out as merely frustrated ,
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 07:59 pm
@farmerman,
Your accusation that my side does not try to compromise is completely untrue. It is only the left who refuses to compromise.

The left will never succeed in their efforts to violate our civil liberties for fun. They will always be defeated, every time, forever.

I've noticed a fair number of insults and epithets from you over the years, usually whenever you see me offering factual opposition to the very sort of draconian proposals that you claim to oppose.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 08:52 pm
@oralloy,
Would you post that fact you claim to have posted. I think I missed it.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 09:27 pm
@RABEL222,
It is a fact that there is no justification for banning pistol grips on long guns.

The only reason why leftists try to ban pistol grips on long guns is because they enjoy violating people's civil liberties.
 

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