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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
Olivier5
 
  3  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 01:01 am
@oralloy,
Open your ears. The doctors are right.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 01:03 am
@oralloy,
Why are they supressing scientific studies of gun violence, if not to keep the wool over your eyes?
oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 01:11 am
@Olivier5,
Because the CDC is supposed to be protecting us from dangerous diseases, not using taxpayer money to concoct anti-American lies.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 01:13 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
The doctors are right.
No. When doctors say that a bullet from an AR-15 is somehow unusually deadly, they are lying.

It is actually pretty weak for a rifle bullet. That's why it isn't legal to hunt deer with them in most jurisdictions.
Olivier5
 
  3  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 01:34 am
@oralloy,
It's a fact that guns can be dangerous to your health, but the NRA wants to lie in all impunity, so that you stay afraid, misinformed and easily manipulated. This is why they tried to defund research on gun violence.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 01:38 am
@oralloy,
You can use many different amunitions on an AR-15.
farmerman
 
  4  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 04:23 am
@oralloy,
that includes accidents from home appliance events. We can possess statistics on how many microwave fatalities occur while cooking lasagna, but we cannot acquire good data on how many gun deaths occur?
Is this part of your vaunted list of freedoms?
farmerman
 
  4  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 04:28 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
No. When doctors say that a bullet from an AR-15 is somehow unusually deadly, they are lying.
. "deadly" can be an observation about its high "delivery rate" or the rifle's ability to be concealed.
Anyway, both bullets are "sufficiently deadly" , ever since the French police coined the forensic term of "sufficiently dead"
farmerman
 
  4  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 04:34 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
That's why it isn't legal to hunt deer with them in most jurisdictions.
Waita fuggin minit. You mean someone has put controls on these guns and the NRA isnt come out bitchin, and the toadies who claim losses to their freedom to kiss the NRA;s ass arent going to the street and the courts??

We dont wanna murder the bambis but its ok to murder our people eh?

Lests do a list to see which states deny the nimrods the freedom to butcher deer at high rates of lead delivery.
sceletera
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 07:34 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Sure. But being a doctor does not give their arguments any more validity than any other person.
I would hazard a guess that more doctors have treated gun shot wounds than NRA members have treated gun shot wounds. That would give them more validity in talking about gun shot wounds than the NRA.

Quote:
And especially we should not accept falsehoods just because they come from doctors.

But we should accept your falsehoods?

You will now have the urge to claim I have never shown you to make a false statement. But you might want to reconsider that.
sceletera
 
  4  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 08:26 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:
The doctors are right.
No. When doctors say that a bullet from an AR-15 is somehow unusually deadly, they are lying.

It is actually pretty weak for a rifle bullet. That's why it isn't legal to hunt deer with them in most jurisdictions.

Ok, you got me. Which jurisdictions specifically ban the AR-15? Or is this just another one of your many lies? You are certainly stretching the truth. It looks like there may be 10 states that don't allow the use of .223 ammunition but that isn't banning the AR-15 since it can use different calibers. Then there a few states that only allow hunting by bow, shotgun or muzzle loader. While you can argue the AR-15 is banned it certainly isn't banned because it has a weak bullet.
All rifles are banned.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 11:22 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
It's a fact that guns can be dangerous to your health,
So can cars. So can electrical wiring in your house.

Olivier5 wrote:
but the NRA wants to lie in all impunity,
No. Only the gun control movement wishes to lie.

Olivier5 wrote:
so that you stay afraid, misinformed and easily manipulated.
Only the gun control movement wishes people to be misinformed and manipulated.

Olivier5 wrote:
This is why they tried to defund research on gun violence.
No. They defunded the research because the supposed researchers were wasting government resources on anti-American propaganda..
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 11:24 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
You can use many different amunitions on an AR-15.
It is pretty clear that the doctors were specifically referring to .223 rifles.

But even if we are generous and pretend that their statements were meant to include any caliber, the doctors are still giving false statements. Any bullet of any caliber fired from an AR platform is no more deadly than it would be if it had been fired from any other rifle.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 11:26 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
that includes accidents from home appliance events. We can possess statistics on how many microwave fatalities occur while cooking lasagna, but we cannot acquire good data on how many gun deaths occur?
I would hope that the CDC is not wasting taxpayer money on studies of microwave ovens. I'd prefer that they worry about infectious diseases.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 11:27 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
"deadly" can be an observation about its high "delivery rate" or the rifle's ability to be concealed.
Not when they are pretending that bullets from an AR-15 somehow produce worse wounds.

Rifles have length requirements that prevent easy concealment.

An AR-15 does not have a delivery rate any higher than any other weapon with the same size magazine attached to it.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 11:30 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Lests do a list to see which states deny the nimrods the freedom to butcher deer at high rates of lead delivery.
I'm not sure what the point would be, but go ahead if you want to.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 11:48 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:
It's a fact that guns can be dangerous to your health,
So can cars. So can electrical wiring in your house.

And if the car industry was trying to defund research into car related deaths, I would call them put as well...
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 11:49 am
@sceletera,
sceletera wrote:
I would hazard a guess that more doctors have treated gun shot wounds than NRA members have treated gun shot wounds. That would give them more validity in talking about gun shot wounds than the NRA.
It depends. They would certainly know more about treating a gunshot wound. That wouldn't mean they know anything about what sort of guns produce what sort of wounds.

sceletera wrote:
But we should accept your falsehoods?
If you can find any, feel free to point them out.

sceletera wrote:
You will now have the urge to claim I have never shown you to make a false statement. But you might want to reconsider that.
Meh. I've found many errors on your part compared to the one single error of mine that you found.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 11:52 am
@sceletera,
sceletera wrote:
Ok, you got me. Which jurisdictions specifically ban the AR-15?
Here is one:
https://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/7389.htm
"The cartridge must fire a bullet with a diameter that is .243 inches (same as 6mm) or larger"

sceletera wrote:
Or is this just another one of your many lies?
You cannot show any lies on my part.

sceletera wrote:
You are certainly stretching the truth.
Not at all. The .223 is totally unsuitable for deer hunting.

sceletera wrote:
It looks like there may be 10 states that don't allow the use of .223 ammunition but that isn't banning the AR-15 since it can use different calibers.
The doctors were clearly referring to .223 rounds.

But even if they had been referring to other rounds, their claims would still be completely untrue, as other rounds are also no more deadly when they come out of an AR platform than when they come out of any other rifle.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2018 11:54 am
@oralloy,
You're out of your depth. There are several types of .223 ammunitions.

https://www.ammoforsale.com/ammo-ar15

(apologies for posting a murder porn link)
 

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