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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 09:11 am



Hitting what you aim at is the personification of gun control.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 09:25 am
@Advocate,
I would go with a revolver not a automatic handgun for one reason revolvers almost always fire IE they do not jam. Second the advantages that an automatic have over a revolver does not matter in most self defense situations.

You are not normally going to get into a long fire fight so the speed of reloading or the greater number of rounds that a automatic normally carry compare to a revolver in my mind does not compensate for the likelihood of having a round stow pipe and jaming the gun at the worst possible time.

I would suggest visiting a range/gun shop and trying out some of their guns before buying.

As far as the cost I had not purchase a firearm for a long time but I assume that you still can get a fairly good weapon for three or four hundreds dollars and do not go too small you do not wish just to annoy whoever you are shooting at so in my opinion a weapon firing a 38 round is as small as you should go.

Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 09:32 am
@BillRM,
Thanks for the good info. Do you recommend carrying one on your person when you are out of your home?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 09:43 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

I would go with a revolver not a automatic handgun for one reason revolvers almost always fire IE they do not jam.



Revolvers are OK and they are reliable, but they are heavy for their size.
Also, when it comes to hand guns - you really need to be a savvy shopper
because there are many cheaply made guns that you should avoid.

As both BillRM and I said, try before you buy... make sure you're comfortable
with how it feels, it's accuracy and what it takes to maintain the weapon.
You also want to get a good bit of practice and defensive ammo for the gun.

Consider concealed carry only after your are proficient with your weapon
of choice, and have someone help you choose a holster for this purpose.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 09:58 am
@hamburger,
hamburger wrote:

high seas :

Quote:
"Wild beasts and birds
are by right not the property merely
of the people who are alive today,
but the property of unknown generations,
whose belongings we have no right
to squander." ~ Theodore Roosevelt


i'm glad you already reminded a2k'ers of that .
take care .
hbg


Thank you very much, Hamburger - it is not often that I see you quoting Republican presidents, so am re-posting your interesting comment for those who may have missed it the first time. And if I may add something relevant, the wolves placed in Yellowstone were donated to us by Canada - to our eternal shame we had managed to murder all of our own, even though there is no known case of a healthy wolf attacking a human. Ever. Thank you, Canada.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 10:30 am
@Advocate,
I must admit, I am glad that you have a pro-2nd Amendment position.

It seems more and more of us left-leaning individuals are pro-2nd Amdt., which pleases me.

gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 10:32 am
Shopping for pistols?

Check out and learn how to use gunbroker.com

Also check out Beretta's latest chapter and verse of the pistol with the revolving barrel (instead of the Browning tilt barrel system) which I believe is called a PX4; that would be a relatively heavy caliber semiauto which could actually hit things past thirty or forty feet away. 40SW would be the caliber I'd want if I was buying one of those.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 10:50 am
@Advocate,
"Advocate"wrote:
Quote:
What is your source for that stat.

The Waterman 's link indicated that it was from a
CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll.



Quote:
I have been against gun proliferation all my life.
However, since it exists, I can't tell myself, or others, to be a martyr and not pack a piece.
Bill's prior post regarding the low abuse among those licensed to carry is significant.

I remember reading, some years ago, from an unremembered source,
that the incidence of misuse of firearms was lower among CCW license holders
than it was among the police. I 'd love to attribute it to a source, but I don t remember.



Quote:
How little would I have to pay for a safe and effective automatic handgun?

With a vu to keeping u alive,
I respectfully suggest that personal survival of emergencies
outranks the value of a few $$; this is the proper occasion
to splurge on good quality.

My own personal opinion is that revolvers r much,
much more mechanically reliable than automatics.
There r too many ways for an automatic to jam
or for its magazine to fall out; a rather comical occurrence.
(As John Dillinger put it: "2 things that shoud never be trusted
are the word of a district attorney and an automatic pistol."
)
I recommend to everyone that in buying defensive guns,
logically: the controlling criterion is STOPPING POWER.
U need to keep him off of u.

I suggest that the safest way to go is a .44 revolver
loaded with hollowpointed slugs in .44 special (not magnum) to put the brakes on him.

Having said that, your final consideration shoud be the purchase of a defensive gun
with which u feel comfortable and in which u have confidence.
Then: practice, practice, practice

Good luck





David
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High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 10:54 am
@gungasnake,
Good advice, generally, to which might be added that beginners would be well advised to spend some time in a shooting range, paying for an hour or two with an instructor. I'm a fellow revolver fan, as in >
http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/selector/14-4-Ruger-1_1.jpg
http://www.gun-tests.com/custom/apps/gunselector/index.php
> since generally speaking for self-defense (if that's what Advocate is looking for) you want simplicity, reliability, and low maintenance. Remember to get fresh ammo at least once a year - aka use at least a box of ammo in a range once a year!

Note to Ms Olga -" how much longer will it take" for guns to what, exactly? Your original post wasn't all that clear Smile
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 11:16 am

Keep one thing mind, the vast majority of hand guns are made for hitting targets that are very close.
Long range accuracy is what carbines and rifles are made for and not really that important with a hand gun.
What is important is that the hand gun function reliably and deliver stopping power accurately within your personal space.

My personal favorite is the G21, it fits my large hands like a custom gun. This image is life size.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/G21_TLR-1.jpg
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 11:25 am
@H2O MAN,
My love in handguns is my old SW model 19 357. She almost aim herself.
High Seas
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 11:29 am
@BillRM,
My dad left me a .357 magnum, Colt Python. Very well balanced but too heavy to carry around (and I don't like holsters). For carrying around I have a Glock 9mm - superbly balanced as well, but lighter.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 11:30 am
@BillRM,


I think my Ruger GP 100 is a close copy of your SW ... Great wheel gun Very Happy

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/ruger_gp100_6in.jpg
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 11:50 am
@Advocate,
As H20 stated and I to would support that you get very comfortable in a range with the gun you had purchase before thinking about normally carrying it around.

Range time is an ongoing obligation for a gun owner because no gun no matter how powerful or accurate is going to be of a great aid to you if you are not able to reacted rapidly with it and as if it was a part of you even in time of great stress.

Now as far as carrying it around and how often that is a personal decision. I frankly do not carry my firearms all the time( hanging my head in great shame).

Given the sense of humor that the universe seem to had build in ones of the time I am not carrying a firearm is the time I should had been.

With that said any time I am going into a high crime area I am carrying my 357 and in what I view as low threat situations I either am not carrying or carrying a small and very minimum 38.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 12:05 pm
@maporsche,
I don't agree with the court that the second amendment gives everyone the right to bear. However, the court recently ruled against me. Moreover, one must consider that guns are everywhere, and it is silly to be an unarmed martyr.
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 12:09 pm
I just learned why Queen Elizabeth always carries a purse (even in the palace). It is because she is packing.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 12:46 pm
@Advocate,
On firearms after Hurricane Andrew hit South Florida like a thousand B-52 carpet bombing the area my small community for weeks on end only security again looters was the neighbors taking turn patrolling with shotguns and pistols.

Against every rule of the post office and Federal law a majority of the postal employees at the post office that serve my area was openly arm with their own firearms for a number of weeks after the hurricane hit also. I was told by one of them there was zero security provided to them by either the local police, national guard or Federal troops for weeks.

As the phone system was also completely down and was down for four or so months in some areas you could not even summon help if needed.

A lot of people was in fact openly carrying firearms. My new landlord boyfriend of the townhouse I move into after the Hurricane wipe my home one night showed up with a pistol on his hip. I him ask him if he was planning on fixing the toilet with the gun or planning on shooting me for complaining about it<grin>.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 12:53 pm
@BillRM,
ok, I give up, what's your first language?
roger
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 12:56 pm
@dyslexia,
I have wondered, too.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 01:02 pm
@BillRM,


I moved out of Kendall, Fl. just before Andrew hit and the friends I left behind echoed the situations you describe.
The people that survived Andrew had to endure many months of hardship in the land of the common Uzi.
 

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