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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 09:07 am
@BillRM,
Ever read any of the horror stories coming out of the places the leftists have insisted on releasing wolves??

Try this for example:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1073500/posts

High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 09:17 am
@gungasnake,
Gunga - these aren't leftists necessarily! I'm one of the people who sent money to bring back wolves to Yellowstone. That 850lbs llama pet was paid for, as is all livestock eaten by wolves. The wolves keep vermin like field rats down and really do add to the balance of nature - that's what the National Parks are for. Read Teddy Roosevelt's works on the subject btw, he was a great Republican president.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 09:37 am
@saab,
saab wrote:

Quote:
First the Armenian soldiers in the army were disarmed.
What can minority do against a majority?
Then soldiers went out into to village and killed the men.
What can a couple of men do against a well armed large group of soldiers?
Houses were burnt down.
What can one gun do against a fire?
During church services the churches were burnt down.
What can a few guns do against a burning church and help people in panic?
Women and children were raped and taken as prisoners and sold as slaves.
What can one gun do to help against a hord of soldiers on your farm?

Mr. Saab:
Your little essay OMITTED the fact that gun control PRECEDED those atrocities.

The oppressor is a coward who prefers not to engage in a straightforward gun fight,
but rather he wishes to herd HELPLESS victims to their end.

Will u reveal to me
whether the Armenians woud have stood by and allowed
their children to be raped and sold into slavery,
IF thay still had their GUNS in their hands ?





David
saab
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 10:00 am
@OmSigDAVID,
They tried 1500 against 4000

On April 19, 1915, Jevdet Bey demanded that the city of Van immediately furnish him 4,000 soldiers under the pretext of conscription. However, it was clear to the Armenian population that his goal was to massacre the able-bodied men of Van so that there would be no defenders. Jevdet Bey had already used his official writ in nearby villages, ostensibly to search for arms, which had turned into wholesale massacres. The Armenians offered five hundred soldiers and to pay exemption money for the rest in order to buy time, however, Djevdet accused Armenians of "rebellion," and spoke of his determination to "crush" it at any cost. "If the rebels fire a single shot," he declared, "I shall kill every Christian man, woman, and" (pointing to his knee) "every child, up to here."

On April 20, 1915, the armed conflict of the Van Resistance began when an Armenian woman was harassed, and the two Armenian men that came to her aid were killed by Turkish soldiers. The Armenian defenders protecting 30,000 residents and 15,000 refugees in an area of roughly one square kilometer of the Armenian Quarter and suburb of Aigestan with 1,500 able bodied riflemen who were supplied with 300 rifles and 1,000 pistols and antique weapons. The conflict lasted until General Yudenich came to rescue them.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 10:19 am
@gungasnake,
My position is that wolves and wolves packs are not normally a threat to human life.

They do not normally attack humans not that they will not take out a dog or a house cat or deer or whatever they are hunters just like humans.

Almost any other large predators found in the wild in this country are far far more likely then a wolf pack to harm a human.

Given a choice I would must prefer running into a wolf pack hiking then either a black or brown bear or a mountain lion.

Farmers whining about cattle lost was not the issue.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 10:33 am
@High Seas,
Quote:
Gunga - these aren't leftists necessarily! I'm one of the people who sent money to bring back wolves to Yellowstone. That 850lbs llama pet was paid for, as is all livestock eaten by wolves.


What about children? Whose going to pay for the first child who gets killed and eaten by these monsters and don't tell me that animals which can kill llamas, horses, deer, elk, and even prize bulls aren't capable of killing humans.

Until very recently wolves have had an instinctive fear of man and that comes from centuries of having people coming after them with torches, bows, swords, spears, crossbows, and guns every time one of them even thought about attacking a human, but that does not figure to last much longer in today's world with leftists and greenists wanting to simply turn wolves loose in places where people live.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 10:45 am
Have you all taken careful note that no one including Saab had care up to this point to tell me how any gun control law up to an outright ban on all firearms are going to keep such weapons away from those who are willing to break those laws?

I am more then ready to turn in my evil firearms as soon as someone will tell me how they are going to stop even low level criminals from being arm with their gun control laws.

Come on I will trade being a gun owner for the knowledge that someone breaking into my home at night will not be arm with a gun, just tell me how you are going to disarm such people.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 11:24 am
@gungasnake,
Would you please like to point out a case where wolves had kill children.

Yes they have the ability to kill human but history had up to this point had shown they do not normally do so. You seem to feel it is due to fear however that will wear off in time but once against what proof do you have for that theory?

Wolves are monsters? Wolves are dogs and dogs are wolves as even those dogs had broken off from wolves a million plus years ago they still can interbreed.

All and all history not your fear of monsters had shown that wolves are not a danger to humans to any degree at all.

Lot more animls out there IE "monsters" such as bears and mountain lions that had kill many hundred of people and yet you worry about an animal with no such history!
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saab
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 11:48 am
@BillRM,
Since 1960 when a sercious study of wolves killing people started one person was killed in Kanada 2006 and one in 1963 in Quebec.
In Sweden the last time a human was killed by wolves was 1821 - close to two hundred years ago.
56% of the Swedes are positive to have wolves around their housing.
Most positive were farmers as they use wolve securde electrical fence around their cattle.
Rheindeer owners only 18% would accept wolves around their housing. That is very understandable as rheindeers are rooming around free.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 02:34 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Are you afraid that someday the leftists will hunt you down as a crypto Nazi? Your assaultl rifle won't help you.
hamburger
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 02:42 pm
@High Seas,
high seas :

Quote:
"Wild beasts and birds
are by right not the property merely
of the people who are alive today,
but the property of unknown generations,
whose belongings we have no right
to squander." ~ Theodore Roosevelt


i'm glad you already reminded a2k'ers of that .
take care .
hbg
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 04:44 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Are you afraid that someday the leftists will hunt you down
as a crypto Nazi? Your assaultl rifle won't help you.

Not in the least. I do not entertain that emotion.

The nazi business is only foolishness in your mind, tho harmless.
I oppose & reject all forms of authoritanism or collectivism, including Roosevelt-Kennedy liberalism.

I favor very feeble (domestic) government and individualist hedonism.
That is probably your idea of nazism.





David
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 06:40 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Bush gas us a feeble government with much less control or regulation of the individual. This brought the country to its knees.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 Apr, 2009 10:26 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Bush gas us a feeble government with much less control or regulation of the individual.
This brought the country to its knees.

1 ) Free individuals is how America was and is supposed to BE;
the land of the Free and the home of the Brave.

2 ) It was CLINTON 's interference,
trying to use government to favor the poor that caused the trouble.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 03:37 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Yes David the government should only and rightfully be used to favor the class of people who can paid for lobbyists and that surely not the poor.

This country was founder by the rich and for the rich long may they rule.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 04:02 am
Jusat come across some more information about the dangerous people like myself and my wife that carry firearms in the state of Florida.

In Florida, for instance (where the Department of Licensing has kept thorough records since concealed carry was liberalized in 1987), there are now a bit under 230,000 active concealed carry licenses. Over the 11 years since 1987, on average 10 licenses per year have been revoked due to a gun crime by the licenseholder. See http://licgweb.dos.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.html (visited Mar. 4, 1999). Even considering that not all gun-abusing licenseholders will be caught, this still reflects an extremely low rate of abuse.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 08:16 am



Fewer American support stricter gun control laws

61% of Americans are against stricter gun laws!
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 08:42 am
@H2O MAN,
What is your source for that stat.

I have been against gun proliferation all my life. However, since it exists, I can't tell myself, or others, to be a martyr and not pack a piece. Bill's prior post regarding the low abuse among those licensed to carry is significant.

How little would I have to pay for a safe and effective automatic handgun?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 08:58 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

What is your source for that stat.

Click on the hyperlink I provided Very Happy

I recommend a used 9mm or .45 ACP Glock
Low cost - High reliability.

Try before you buy!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 09:05 am
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