Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

The fact remains that you feel your need to strut around with a gun feeling important takes priority over a child's right to life.

While that is technically true, it remains a fact that our freedom is not costing the lives of any children.

izzythepush wrote:

You can rationalise it away as much as you like, but America's ultra high homicide rate is a result of its ridiculously lax gun laws.

Wrong. International homicide rate comparisons make it very clear that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

Your country has sacrificed its freedom for no reason at all.

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@camlok,

camlok wrote:

Amendments are not sacrosanct, neither is any provision of the consteetwoshun. One day the 2ndA will be gone, just as the prohibition amendment is gone.

If you want to waste all of your energy fighting with the NRA, be my guest.

Obama tried that in his second term. The result was he achieved nothing in his second term and the voters elected Donald Trump to replace him.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Our gun laws are sane, yours are totally mental.

Only if you equate sanity with giving up your freedom for no reason.

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@oralloy,

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Wrong. International homicide rate comparisons make it very clear that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

Is this an NRA lie repeated by oralloy or a lie that oralloy made up?

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Does Gun Control Really Work?
Lauren Manier, National Center for Health Research

Background checks on firearm purchases from a licensed dealer are required by law under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993. A follow-up study found the Brady Bill stopped 2.1 million gun purchases between 1994 and 2014—an average of 343 purchases per day.[3] The law blocked 1 million felons, 291,000 domestic abusers, and 118,000 fugitives from purchasing a firearm.

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A two-year study showed that having background checks done at the local level resulted in a 27% lower rate of gun-related suicides and 22% lower rate of gun-related murders.[4]

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Although the Brady Bill stopped many potential crimes, there have been accounts of failure to report felons to the federal database. In November of 2017, Devin Kelley entered a church in Texas and killed 26 people. It was later learned that the Air Force failed to report Kelley, and dozens of other service members charged with serious convictions, to the federal gun background check database.[5] If Kelley had been reported, he would have been stopped from buying a gun because of his previous domestic violence conviction. The lack of reporting isn’t unique to the Air Force. The Army has the worst record, with 41% of convictions unreported, while the Navy failed to report 36% of convictions, and the Air Force failed to report 14%.[6]

http://www.center4research.org/does-gun-control-really-work/

Ban the US military as well and millions can be saved around the world.

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@camlok,

camlok wrote:

Is this an NRA lie repeated by oralloy or a lie that oralloy made up?

Neither. As always, all of my posts are factually correct.

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A two-year study showed that having background checks done at the local level resulted in a . . . 22% lower rate of gun-related murders.[4]

Did being killed with a knife instead of a gun make that 22% any less dead?

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@oralloy,

Your inane diversions are just another form of your great propensity to lie, oralloy. Same with your lies and your fleeing, like a coward, from discussions about that September morn.

The study showed you to be a liar.

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@oralloy,

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But there is no such price. Gun availability rates have very little impact on homicide rates.

In some regards arguing gun homicide rates is like arguing economics "how much impact did X have?". You are correct in that homicides happen more in poor socioeconomic sectors. So to have a more accurate comparison, you would have to include a comparison of poverty levels, and if possible, a comparison of ghetto size & numbers, plus perhaps the length of time the ghetto existed. That would be tedious to do for some social researcher, but the results would be interesting.

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@camlok,

camlok wrote:

Your inane diversions are just another form of your great propensity to lie, oralloy.

Everything that I say is completely true and entirely on topic.

camlok wrote:

The study showed you to be a liar.

No it didn't.

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@oralloy,

You know what they say:
- cheaters are the first people to suspect others of cheating
- fraudsters are the first people to suspect others of fraud
- liars are the first people to suspect others of lying.

By that logic, someone on this thread is a very great liar indeed Laughing

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@vikorr,

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You know what they say:

Indicative of your great "evidence", vikorr.

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By that logic,

You wouldn't know logic if it slapped you upside the head.

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@oralloy,

camlok wrote:
The study showed you to be a liar.

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oralloy: [complete with a foot stamp] No it didn't.

You didn't even read the material, oralloy. The study showed you to be a liar.

Effective Gun Control Measures
Missouri’s permit-to-purchase law is often cited by people in favor of stronger gun control. The permit-to-purchase law required that people get a permit from local law enforcement before purchasing a gun. When Missouri repealed its permit-to-purchase law in August 2007, research indicated a 55-63% increase in the firearm homicide rate per year during the four years following the repeal.[8] During the same year the law was repealed, Missouri also passed a “Stand Your Ground” law. This law allows people to use firearms in cases of self-defense without being charged for injury or homicide, and it increased the number of homicides. However, a comparison with other states with “Stand Your Ground” laws found that even when accounting for the deaths attributed to that law, the repeal of the permit-to-purchase law still caused Missouri’s homicide rate to increase significantly.

Research conducted in Connecticut also found a relationship between permit-to-purchase laws and firearm homicides. In 1995, Connecticut passed a permit-to-purchase law, and over the next 10 years the state saw a 40% drop in firearm homicides.[9] There was no drop in non-firearm homicides, indicating that it was likely the permit-to-purchase law that prevented gun deaths. These studies suggest that requiring a permit before purchasing a gun could help reduce gun-related homicides.

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@oralloy,

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A two-year study showed that having background checks done at the locl level resulted in a . . . 22% lower rate of gun-related murders.[4]
Did being killed with a knife instead of a gun make that 22% any less dead?

You cimpletely blew that statistic. What ,ade them lesas dead wase rhe facr that they weren't klilled because of background checks. The 22% were the survivors, knives didb't kill them and guns didn''t kill them.They LIVED because of background checks. Nice try, ace.

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@MontereyJack,

It seems that oralloy has once again fled from those inconvenient truths he so hates.

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@camlok,

Your lack of honor is appalling. You know very well that my computer is out of commission and I am only able to post when I get access to someone else's computer.

You also know very well that the truth and I are close allies.

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@camlok,

camlok wrote:

complete with a foot stamp

Lying about me won't change the facts.

camlok wrote:

You didn't even read the material, oralloy.

I read the parts that you quoted from it.

camlok wrote:

The study showed you to be a liar.

No it didn't.

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When Missouri repealed its permit-to-purchase law in August 2007, research indicated a 55-63% increase in the firearm homicide rate per year during the four years following the repeal.

Is being killed with a gun instead of with a knife supposed to make them "more dead"?

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

You completely blew that statistic. What made them less dead was the fact that they weren't killed because of background checks. The 22% were the survivors, knives didn't kill them and guns didn't kill them. They LIVED because of background checks. Nice try, ace.

That is incorrect. Statistics are very clear that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates. All this did was change the method that was used to kill these people. The same number of people were still killed. They were just killed by a different method.

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@oralloy,

camlok wrote:
The study showed you to be a liar.

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oralloy: No it didn't.

Then oralloy quotes part of the study that shows he is a liar.

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When Missouri repealed its permit-to-purchase law in August 2007, research indicated a 55-63% increase in the firearm homicide rate per year during the four years following the repeal.

He has shown in other threads that he has also fled from that he is a liar, not to mention that he is woefully ignorant on the topics he discusses in both the science and the facts and he won't even address his own nonsense, preferring, to do what he always does, flee.

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@oralloy,

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Statistics are very clear that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

Mr Never Any Evidence presents his never any evidence.

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@oralloy,

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You know very well that my computer is out of commission

You have shown time and again that you will use any old lame excuse, oralloy.

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@camlok,

camlok wrote:

Mr Never Any Evidence presents his never any evidence.

Your lies about me reflect on you, not on me.

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