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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2018 11:47 pm
@Olivier5,
Rolling Stone has more (i.e. an amended complaint filed in U.S. District Court in late July) about it.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2018 12:35 am
@vikorr,
Sorry about that.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2018 09:36 am
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-amv_yJM4K-E/W2Rzn8hSrMI/AAAAAAABh6I/rNRnslcWY3wDrGdAjlo4-e6PTdZFEDmBQCEwYBhgL/s1600/90mimb_pcuzkveWZA1uc3vb5o1_540.jpg
http://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2018/08/that-feeling-when.html?spref=tw
vikorr
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2018 05:11 pm
@coldjoint,
Apart from being in incredibly poor taste - I daresay if the Jews did choose to own a gun, they would soon 'legally' have been banned from holding them (under the conditions in Germany at the time). Those that hid them, and then used them for defence would then have been branded as terrorists (the government controlled the propaganda machine). The hysteria would then have been whipped against them, requiring they be rounded up...and the result would have been the same.

Of course you are also ignoring the beliefs of the dead people you are using to support your cause.

There are other complex issues that such ignores, in the move towards dictatorships (as in Germany), as to whether or not guns ownership would make much difference (to the move towards dictatorship)- which can be simplistically argued both ways.

But such is conjecture.

Guns may have helped. There were certainly the group of Jews during WW2 who did take up arms (see the movie Defiance, based on a true story)

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Presumably the other photo relates to school shootings....which the other side is arguing is due to lack of gun control.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2018 05:27 pm
@vikorr,
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Apart from being in incredibly poor taste

The same right to offend is necessary. Defiance is a good movie. The brothers moved to NYC and had a successful trucking business.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2018 05:29 pm
@vikorr,
Guns did help, they helped the Nazis. Lax gun legislation meant the brownshirts were able to become armed stormtroopers who could rival the army.

Sane gun control legislation would have stopped all of that from happening, which is why today's neo Nazis are such rabid supporters of the 2nd amendment. It's also why they continue to peddle the lie that it's some sort of preventative to the rise of extremists when it's a contributing factor.

Like in Nazi Germany the gun controls are racist, Black citizens in possession of legally held weapons are shot by police all the time while their white counterparts can flaunt and even threaten with them.

The Nazis in Charlottesville weren't marching against the 2nd amendment, far from it.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2018 10:50 am
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Police in North Carolina are searching for a teenager who they say robbed a nine-year-old boy at gunpoint while the child was selling lemonade.

Investigators say the assailant "stuck a black handgun to the boy's stomach" before fleeing the scene with $17 (£13) in cash on Saturday afternoon.

On Sunday the boy returned to sell drinks at the community pool in Monroe, about 30 miles (50km) from Charlotte.

Within hours, he had raised over $250 for his landscaping business.

Neighbours told WCNC-TV that the boy's organic lemonade stand is well known in the neighbourhood, and that he is an entrepreneur who also mows lawns in the community.

"Never thought in a million years I'd be racing off to pick him up with somebody pointing a gun at him and taking his money from just a simple thing of selling lemonade," said Philip Smith, the boy's father.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45088015
vikorr
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2018 03:48 pm
@izzythepush,
Come now, if he'd been armed with a handgun himself, it wouldn't have happened...no wait...what?...

...I know...If all the people standing around had been armed with handgun's it wouldn't have happened...they could all draw at once to defend the child...oh dang...they'd only have created crossfire for themselves...well, hopefully they were all sensible and didn't start shooting at the perp until he was out of the crowd and they could see his back...no wait...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 13 Aug, 2018 11:48 am
The shooting of a man made national headlines recently after the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office declined to press charges against the man who shot 47-year-Michael Drejka, citing Florida's controversial "Stand Your Ground" law that grants immunity to anyone who uses deadly force if they can reasonably claim they were defending themselves.

But now the State Attorney files manslaughter charge in Florida 'stand your ground' shooting

!I support the state attorney’s decision and will have no further comment as the case continues to work its way through the criminal justice system," said Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri in a statement today.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 13 Aug, 2018 02:11 pm
@vikorr,
I love the scenarios that the anti-gun people paint that never happen.

You were at least partially honest in the first part of your reaction, if at least not a person, but an adult had been armed the robbery would't have taken place. The rest of this scenario is just pure anti-gun imagery. You would think as many guns as there are in the US, this type of thing would happen often, instead it almost never happens, even with the massive amount of defensive gun uses in the US per year.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Mon 13 Aug, 2018 05:59 pm
Kent State University graduate whose photos with AR-10 went viral to host campus gun rally

Updated 10:28 AM; Posted 10:28 AM
Kaitlin Bennett's Big Pro-Gun Rally Speech: No More Compromise


By Emily Bamforth, cleveland.com [email protected]

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Kaitlin Bennett, the Kent State University graduate who gained Internet fame with graduation photos where she posed with an AR-10, will host an open carry rally at the university this fall.

Bennett posed with the gun to protest the university's weapons policy. Kent State bans students, staff, faculty and people doing business with the university from carrying "deadly weapons" on its campus, which includes firearms and explosive devices.

Since Bennett is no longer a student or person doing business with the university, she is allowed to carry a weapon outside on campus. She will host a rally at Kent State Sept.29.

She tweeted about the rally Friday night, writing that she plans to bring out a great lineup of speakers.

The advertisement attached prompts people to join "Liberty Hangout, Infowars and the 'triggered Millennials'" at the rally.


Kaitlin Bennett
@KaitMarieox
On September 29th, I will be returning to Kent State to host an open carry rally. We plan on bringing out a great lineup of speakers, and appreciate any help we can get to make this the greatest gun rally of the year! #KSUOpenCarryRally https://www.gofundme.com/kait-bennett039s-kent-state-gun-rally

5:25 PM - Aug 10, 2018

Kait Bennett's Kent State Gun Rally
On Saturday, September 29th, Kaitlin Bennett will be hosting an open carry rally at Kent State University. The rally comes just months after her graduation photos bearing an AR-10 rifle at the scho...

In the spring, Bennett, as the founder of Kent State's chapter of the "right-leaning Libertarian" group Liberty Hangout, organized an open-carry walk on campus. About 40 people protested, according to the Record-Courier.

Since her graduation photos went viral in May, Bennett went on Fox & Friends and spoke to outlets like the Washington Post to explain her photos.

She now has more than 94,000 Twitter followers and uses her account to face off with gun-control advocates. Bennett drew attention when she challenged David Hogg, a survivor of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, to an arm wrestling match.

She is now the grassroots director of Liberty Hangout.

The initial graduation photo now has more than 9,200 retweets and 7,500 replies.

Kaitlin Bennett
@KaitMarieox
Now that I graduated from @KentState, I can finally arm myself on campus. I should have been able to do so as a student- especially since 4 unarmed students were shot and killed by the government on this campus. #CampusCarryNow

12:19 PM - May 13, 2018

Visitors to campus can't carry weapons into school buildings, but can have them on property.

On May 4, 1970, four students were killed and nine were wounded at Kent State after the Ohio National Guard opened fire on a crowd of students who were protesting the war in Vietnam. The shooting sparked student-led strikes which closed universities across the country.
vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2018 12:55 am
@Baldimo,
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I love the scenarios that the anti-gun people paint that never happen.
That was the major point of my post. It doesn't happen, for good reason....but pro gun people believe it would (as they claim ownership & carrying guns could 'stop' such). Thank you for recognising my point.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2018 09:10 am
@vikorr,
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That was the major point of my post. It doesn't happen, for good reason....but pro gun people believe it would (as they claim ownership & carrying guns could 'stop' such). Thank you for recognising my point.

You had no point, that was the point. You gave this fictionalized account of how these things go down. I'll post some stories about good guys with guns stopping bad guys with guns. What doesn't happen is the "slaughter" you indicated would happen. As for people stopping shootings, there are plenty of stories.
In fact there was an attempted mass shooting just last week at a back to school party and a good guy with a gun stopped the shooter:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/06/florida-armed-bystander-stops-gunman-at-crowded-back-to-school-event-at-park-police-say.html

Civilian stops shooting at Walmart:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/06/18/pastor-kills-gunman-washington-walmart/712899002/

2 armed civilians stop shooting at Oklahoma restraunt:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/05/25/armed-citizen-kills-shooter-who-shot-oklahoma-restaurant-diners/643726002/

These are just 3 events that have happened since about May or June, below is another list of armed civilians who have stopped other gun crimes in progress:
http://memepoliceman.com/list-of-mass-shootings-stopped-by-armed-civilians/

As I and others have already pointed out, the study released by the CDC shows that there are between 500,000 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses in the US each year. To blantely lie and say they never happen is a shame but not surprising coming from your ilk. What other lies about guns to you have?
vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2018 12:33 pm
@Baldimo,
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You had no point, that was the point. You gave this fictionalized account of how these things go down.
And you completely and utterly missed the facetiousness with which I wrote it, regarding the unlikelihood of that type of situation happening - for that specific incident?

That said , I rather like your links - a strong argument for guns.

The other side is that the nutters who possessed the guns in those articles, seem to have easy access to them, most of them appeared to have legal access, many seemed to have mental health problems. A strong argument for gun control.

The situations you described as stopped, almost never happen in Australia. Most gun violence is otherwise domestic, or between drug users / dealers / bikies.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2018 04:44 pm
@vikorr,
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And you completely and utterly missed the facetiousness with which I wrote it, regarding the unlikelihood of that type of situation happening - for that specific incident?

Besides all the ..., you have to forgive me, but this is the type of scenario that gets painted about civilians having guns in public, the "circular firing squad". I've seen it used enough by those on this site that I have a hard time determining when someone is "trying to be funny".

Quote:
That said , I rather like your links - a strong argument for guns.

When you consider that the majority of self-defense gun uses occure without a shot being fired. The only stories that make the news are the ones where someone is shot.

Quote:
The other side is that the nutters who possessed the guns in those articles, seem to have easy access to them, most of them appeared to have legal access, many seemed to have mental health problems. A strong argument for gun control.

There is actually no information on where the bad guys got the guns, to say they had easy access to them is putting the cart before the horse. It seems your "evidence" is that you don't like guns and want better gun control.

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The situations you described as stopped, almost never happen in Australia. Most gun violence is otherwise domestic, or between drug users / dealers / bikies.

That is the very same group of people here in the US who commit a majority of the 11,000 murders each year in the US. In those cases, there are no current gun laws which would keep guns out of their hands, except to just ban guns and collect them all up. That won't happen in the US, the 2nd Amendment protects our Right to own guns.
vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2018 11:53 pm
@Baldimo,
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There is actually no information on where the bad guys got the guns, to say they had easy access to them is putting the cart before the horse. It seems your "evidence" is that you don't like guns and want better gun control.
Perhaps you missed the 'seems to' and 'appears to' qualifiers? I basically admitted my views aren't based on evidence, just on the general tone of the articles as relates to the offenders (who, if they weren't previously criminals, then relates to the guns).
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vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2018 11:54 pm
@Baldimo,
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That is the very same group of people here in the US who commit a majority of the 11,000 murders each year in the US. In those cases, there are no current gun laws which would keep guns out of their hands, except to just ban guns and collect them all up. That won't happen in the US, the 2nd Amendment protects our Right to own guns.
Yep. Though they don't appear to be quite comparable. And it doesn't stop debate.

Even if the US implemented gun control laws, given all the guns already in criminal hands, and the culture of using them, it would likely be 5-20 years before it started having a noticeable effect, with possibly detrimental effects in the short term (depending on a number of factors).
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2018 12:14 am
@neptuneblue,
I am old enough to remember Kent State. That idiot girl chose Kent State as her gun celebration fest.......maybe after this she can host a rally of degenerates at the Book Repository in Dallas. Let me guess, the biggist problem in the US is not infant mortality, education, r3buffing the freaking Russians.....the real problem is morons fear they will not be able to walk into Wallmart with a fully automatic rifle with a banana clip. What would the founding fathers have thought?
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2018 04:40 am
@glitterbag,
I have a problem with someone who is NOT a student, NOT faculty or maintenance or NOT a vendor just walking around casually on campus with a weapon. It's **** disturbing, daring confrontation.

She graduated in May, doesn't she have a JOB??? She has NO business there, yet because of free speech, she's allowed to meander about with an assault rifle. This has nothing to do with a 2nd Amendment right, and every thing to do with people thinking they can shove their opinions down people's throats.

She chose September 29th, a Saturday, because it's Kent State's Homecoming weekend. There's a parade, ceremonies, the game and the formal dinner. Kent will have an influx of about 3000 people. And she's walking around, with a weapon, unchecked.

It's gone too far.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2018 11:51 am
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Four people were shot and several more injured when a gunman opened fire by the checkout of a Walmart during an argument with another customer.

Police say Keenan Jones, 30, fired at least 10 shots, some indiscriminately, as shoppers ran for cover during the fracas in the Philadelphia suburbs.

Officials say Mr Jones and his sister fled the supermarket before crashing into a police car.

Both were detained as Mr Jones fought with police, officers say.

He is charged with one count of attempted murder, 13 counts of aggravated assault and 19 counts of reckless endangerment, as well as gun charges.

His sister has not been named or charged.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45199496
 

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