Guns: how much longer will it take ....

That uh, did not make logical sense. Some parts were irrelevant to farmermans point, and the other parts actually seemed to support it, while obviously meaning to be against what he said.

Have you been to a gun range lately? You would be surprised to know that the NRA hasn't changed, you have changed. They still offer certified instructors for all levels of training and even offer things like Ladies Nights for women only to learn to shoot or just practice without fear of being hit on at the range.

Hmm. Even here in Australia, we hear of the lobbying by the NRA. And a quick search shows they established their lobbying arm in 1975, and spent a record amount on lobbying in 2017.

I'm scratching my head at this post.

I'm not saying they do not have a lobbying arm, I'm saying they don't lobby for the things Farmerman claims. They are for the 2nd Amendment and for Citizens not to be infringed in their Rights to bear arms.

The NRA is a gun rights group, who lobby the govt on behalf of their members, gun owners, when the govt tries to regulate their ownership of guns.
2 different groups which represent 2 different aspects of the 2nd Amendment.

"reasonable gun sales and design controls" are not the perview of the NRA, they are there to promote the 2nd Amendment, which is the only Amendment which says it shall not be infringed

It's good that organisations promote gun safety. I doubt Farmerman is against that, and farmerman is clearly aiming at a different issue - so that part of Baldimo's post is irrelevant to the point of farmerman's post.

Even your post acknowledges such below, with two different lobby groups representing different aspects of the same written law / rights / constitution.

The inferences of (the below quote + their lobbying) are why I said parts of your post seemed to support his views.

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"reasonable gun sales and design controls" are not the perview of the NRA, they are there to promote the 2nd Amendment, which is the only Amendment which says it shall not be infringed

Baldimo and Farmerman do agree that the NRA prevents violations of the Second Amendment. They strongly differ on whether this is a good thing however.

Farmerman wishes he could violate the Second Amendment and is frustrated that he cannot.

Baldimo is happy that his rights are protected.

Their disagreement was not over whether it is good to promote gun safety, but over whether the NRA promotes gun safety.

Farmerman erroneously suggested that the NRA no longer supports gun safety. Baldimo corrected that untrue claim.

Youre viewpoint is historically incorrect. It seems that All the mass shootings have been perped ever since the NRA turned from a "hunting and gun safety "organization, to a "mini militia support group" thus impeding reasonable gun sales and design controls and shooter controls

Thanks gun nuts.

Are there truly so many small minded people in this thread that feel the need to down-vote particular voters, regardless of the actual content of what they say?

Because they know in their hearts they are killing thousands of fellow Americans.

So I'm curious about the number of down-votes in this thread, which appear to be made regardless of the content of the posts. Are there truly so many small minded people in this thread that feel the need to down-vote particular voters, regardless of the actual content of what they say?