Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@MontereyJack,

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And lawmakers and the courts and history have all always considered it regulable,

Who said they didn't?

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

And lawmakers and the courts and history have all always considered it regulable, as opposed to you absolutists.

To start with, that's a straw man, since no one is arguing that no regulations are allowed.

But more importantly, regulations are only allowed if they can be justified with a good reason. All this nonsense about violating rights for the fun of it is out of bounds.

And regulations are not allowed to be so draconian that they prevent the exercise of a right, so regulations can't prevent people from having guns that are suitable for self defense.

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@oralloy,

so, is fixing the "Gun show loophole" draconian??

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@Glennn,

If they do so legally and don't shoot people randomly, I have no problem with them. I think the practice ought to be severely regulated for security reasons though.

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@Olivier5,

The general populace has the right to carry guns in America. That's just part of being a free country.

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@farmerman,

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so, is fixing the "Gun show loophole" draconian??

Not necessarily. But any proposal that is based around the term loophole clearly isn't a good idea, as that buzzword is only used when a proposal cannot be justified.

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@oralloy,

It been THE word ince day 1, used by GOP and Dems alike. A loophole gets you a way to avoid something nd thats what this does. Eyes wide open. It started out ith hobbyiists nd grew nd grew .Both COPS and honest to goodness GUN SHOPS are all for ending the loophole.
My problem with the word is when congressmen of both sides use it to reintroduce revenue streams without conveying to their sheep that it is a "tax". Im sure that we are all smart enough to recognize that, neh?

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

It been THE word ince day 1, used by GOP and Dems alike.

It's the word they use when they have a proposal that can't be justified with logic and facts.

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@oralloy,

meaningless rhetoric doesnt change the fact.

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@farmerman,

No fact needs changing. The use of empty buzzwords shows that the proposal can't be justified with facts and logic.

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@oralloy,

you seem to be arguing the word used by the Pa legislature?? If youve a problem re the validity of its use, might I suggest you call the Pa legislature and voice your "facts and logic"

I think you should just take a few aspirins and get some sleep, you seem to be a bit overwrought.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

you seem to be arguing the word used by the Pa legislature??

I'm merely pointing out that the proposal in question cannot be backed up with facts and logic.

farmerman wrote:

If youve a problem re the validity of its use, might I suggest you call the Pa legislature and voice your "facts and logic"

I never said that it was invalid to use empty buzzwords when a proposal cannot be justified with facts and logic.

I merely pointed out that such empty buzzwords are a sign of an unjustifiable proposal.

farmerman wrote:

I think you should just take a few aspirins and get some sleep, you seem to be a bit overwrought.

It's really odd some of the things that people say when they cannot back up their proposals with facts and logic.

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@gungasnake,

bullshit

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@MontereyJack,

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bullshit

No, it is true. England and Germany are getting more fascist everyday.

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@coldjoint,

We try to get rid of the Fascists, which is legally sometimes not so simple (see the Identitarian Movement and some parts of the political party Alternative for Germany)

Very similar situation in the UK (I wouldn't single out England, it's in other regions as well).

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@Walter Hinteler,

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We try to get rid of the Fascists,

By arresting people that insult Islam or the government immigration policy? The fascists run your country.

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@coldjoint,

Our laws allow arrests just in a very few case.
You certainly have a link when and where such happened with the above mentioned group of people?

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The fascists run your country.

We have on the federal level a coalition government by the Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union and the Social Democrats.
I certainly call the CDU right, the CSU even mor, but which party do you call Fascist due to what definition?

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Our laws allow arrests just in a very few case.

Thanks, I rest my case. Fascists.

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@coldjoint,

Indeed, Fascist don't have or don't follow legal procedures.

Any idea, coldjoint, how difficult it is to get an arrest warrant here?
(Detaining a person is only allowed under certain conditions defined by the Basic Law. In article 104 (Deprivation of liberty), the fundamental law determines that only a Haftrichter ("arrest judge") may order confinement that exceeds 48 hours.)

In the USA, for instance, people get handcuffed more often than here ... different laws, nothing to do with Fascism.

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