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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 12:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Ah, you're correct. We shouldn't be congratulating ourselves over dire past situations that happened in other countries as if we live in Utopia.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 12:36 am
@glitterbag,
I didn't mean to imply you are not in Europe.....it's my fellow Americans lack of understanding of history that drives me to distraction.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 01:17 am
@glitterbag,
What country in its right mind would want Oralloy as a citizen?

We definitely don't want it over here.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 04:09 am
@glitterbag,
But it was a noble cause. That's wy the Terror was so trajic.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 09:16 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
You may wish to compare your NRA-scripted fake ideas with reality once in a while.

So you are saying, that the majority of mass shootings are more like the Las Vegas shooting than the Parkland school shooting? That Parkland is the exception and not the rule on mass shootings? I'm interested in your opinion.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 10:54 am
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 10:56 am
I say again, take a half dozen or so of the worst cases of demokkkrat machine controlled US cities out of the picture, and US murder stats are among the four or five lowest in the world. The thing we need to outlaw and ban is the demokkkrat party.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 11:06 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Oralloy as a citizen?

Since you live in a world of "subjects" your opinion is moot.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 11:12 am
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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 11:13 am
https://static.brusheezy.com/system/resources/previews/000/001/337/non_2x/snowflakes-brushes.jpg
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 12:40 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
I don't see the phrase "any provision of this constitution can be made null and void with a good reason" in there...

That phrase acknowledges important government interests that the government has the legitimate authority to pursue.

I think I see the source of the confusion. There are two issues here. One is whether a restriction on a right can be justified as serving an important government interest. Another is whether a restriction prevents people from exercising their rights.

Bans on pistol grips are unconstitutional because they do not serve an important government interest.

What you are focusing on however, is the question of whether the exercise of the right is impeded.

In that light, the reason why bans on nuclear weapons are allowed is because those bans do not impede people's ability to defend themselves against criminals.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 12:41 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
France provided a ton of money and supplies to the US......

Those cutting edge (for the time) 12 pounders were a big help at Yorktown.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 07:44 pm
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30716402_1890209451011688_3417835163411808256_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeEXW4Kc-xIa2N4l7b4U-KPcG2-jk_qaGm3Vzaii-qYb2DFIQEGIc1uEGDs-LVHilKR_7_dTc0dYABjzpz9dhyGxmDOJEiP7s4Mbzy3Yt3r5MQ&oh=548692140df65104a9817849a5783107&oe=5B66381B
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 10:18 pm
@Baldimo,
You said that "gun-free zones" are what leads to mass shootings, not the proliferation of guns. This is irrational and false. Vegas is only one counter-example among dozens in recent memory, where a mass shooting happened outside of a gun-free zone.

Facts are stubborn. They don't disappear when you ignore them.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 10:23 pm
@oralloy,
Ditto with anti-aircraft guns. And therefore the second amendment is not currently applied. It is severely curtailed because you poor souls can't be allowed to get as big a gun as you may wish...
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 10:28 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Facts are stubborn. They don't disappear when you ignore them.


Remember that next time you say "Hi" to a Muslim.
Olivier5
 
  3  
Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 10:34 pm
@coldjoint,
I don't say "hi!" to Muslims.

I say "assalamalekom!"
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 10:53 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
"assalamalekom!"


Please don't kill me?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 10:57 pm
@coldjoint,
"Peace be on you." Similar to Hebrew's "Shallom!".
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 17 Apr, 2018 11:01 pm
@Olivier5,
Well now you've sent him into a tailspin.
 

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