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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2018 09:53 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
the 2017 version of " Murder on the OrientExpress "

I prefer David Suchet.

But I'd prefer David Suchet over any other Poirot, so this isn't meant as a knock on the movie.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2018 09:55 pm
@sceletera,
sceletera wrote:
oralloy,
Do you agree with this statement?
Quote:
There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was not unlimited, just as the First Amendment's right of free speech was not, see, e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U.S. 285, 128 S.Ct. 1830, 170 L.Ed.2d 650 (2008). Thus, we do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to speak for any purpose.

Yes. I agree with that statement.

The standards for determining what limitations are acceptable and what limitations are not acceptable are the varying levels of judicial scrutiny that I linked earlier.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2018 09:58 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
MontereyJack wrote:
True democracy is government of the people, by the people, for the people.

No one wants true Democracy in America. We want our representational Republic to stay as it is. Ask California when "the people" voted against gay marriage... they couldn't get rid of "true democracy" fast enough.

The way I look at it is, there is a difference between absolute monarchy and constitutional monarchy.

The same difference exists between absolute democracy and constitutional democracy.

The US is a constitutional democracy.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2018 10:29 pm
@coldjoint,
I see you flunked the Abraha Lincoln part of your high school education. That is in fact a widely accepted definition of democracy. The "mobrule" idiotsnever seem to realize that damned near every election or co\hoice at all levels in our society is in fact majority rule. If tht's mob rule, then MobRule R Us..At the same time they maintain we are a republic. In which case Mob Rule is Republic Rule. They are in practice virtuallu indistinguishable. We are in fact a Representative Constitutional Democracy. Your "mob rule" **** is only sort of applicable to "pure democracy", wwhich basically doesn't exist. You have the most simple-minded ideas about what democracy is that I have ever encountered, it's the usual inapplicable right wing absurdist meme., i.e. wrong..
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2018 10:34 pm
@McGentrix,
You do realize that there were an estimated 800 marches plus, don't you? Far from just D.C.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2018 10:43 pm
@McGentrix,
Look at the definitions of republic and democracy. They're essentially identical. We are in fact a representational constitutional demkocracy. Have been since slavery was abolished, women got the vote, the senate was elected by popular vote, and "One Man (Person), One Vote" became the guiding principle". Democracy, like Republic, comes in many flavors, and we're one. Ideally, at least.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2018 10:50 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
"pure democracy", wwhich basically doesn't exist.


You were the guy praising democracy, not me. I believe you called it "true democracy".
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2018 10:53 pm
@MontereyJack,
Good god, do oralloy and I actuslly sagree? Whe do I get the feeling we each must mean something different by the same words.?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2018 10:58 pm
@coldjoint,
If I did it was a slip. It's usually called "pure democracy", which is what the RIGHT WINGERS are talking about when they talk about "mob rule', which is not what actually exists.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2018 12:21 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
"mob rule', which is not what actually exists.

Guess you haven't been to an Antifa rally.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2018 03:35 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
But I'd prefer David Suchet over any other Poirot
David Suchet did a marvelous job in his own POIROT series .He played that role for over 20 years. There was an large Art Deco Hose that was used as a different location for many episodes of the series. They would shoot the house from slightly different angles using different filters.
The new "Murder.." was Ok but still fell a bit short of the Peter Ustonov version of Poirot. In the movies, Ustinov had it over any other Poirot, for TV, where you had to live with the same cast members, Suchet was it.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2018 03:54 am
@gungasnake,
semi auto , as defined in "a package deal" that allows ammo to be delivered at high speed in large clips. The package does include some "cosmetics that you guys seem to try to force as the main feature of such guns. Thats an attempt at merely driving the conversation .

Ive fired all kinds of semis, from sport and skeet shot to these dumass AR's .

AR-s and their ilk are,IMHO, just dangerous toys . They have impact and an accuracy thats often been compared to a Brown Bess.

At best they are an urban assault weapon and thats where i have to assert that these things really have no logical bases of being other than to market a scary looking gun with over capacity bullet delivery,AND most are quickly tooled into full auto either by kit or bump stock.

Quote:
Quote:
I might own is to allow me to feel safe about living in the United States when demoKKKrats are in control of our government such as was the case for the eight years prior to late January of 2017


Typical BS logic from the right. what are you gonna do, lock down your house and shoot folks from the windows?? Sounds a bit wacky to me. SInce hen are you propoing to make war on your fellow citizens??

I think Id do something about that anger streak Gunga

farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2018 03:57 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Is their an honest person in the whole bunch?
. They must have hired the same outfit that etimated the crowds that Donald Trump saw at his inauguration
"The greatest Crowd in history"
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2018 04:22 am
@farmerman,
I don't have any sort of an anger issue; the problem is you and your ilk and your gangsterism issue e.g. trying to install Hillary Clinton as president of the US... How safe would you have felt about living in Nazi Germany?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2018 04:35 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
I don't have any sort of an anger issue; the problem is you and your ilk and your gangsterism issue e.g. trying to install Hillary Clinton as president of the US... How safe would you have felt about living in Nazi Germany?


No anger issue eh?

We are living in a regime where truth and honor has been destroyed by a lying egotistical moron serving as our Chief Executive.
As far as the rest of your skree, I invoke Godwyn's Law.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2018 05:02 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
semi auto , as defined in "a package deal" that allows ammo to be delivered at high speed in large clips. The package does include some "cosmetics that you guys seem to try to force as the main feature of such guns. Thats an attempt at merely driving the conversation.

The cosmetics are considered the main features because the attempts to ban these guns focus SOLELY on those features.

That's nothing that civil rights advocates are responsible for. It's the Freedom Haters who try to pass laws about these cosmetic features. Blame the Freedom Haters if you have a problem with the topic of discussion.


farmerman wrote:
AR-s and their ilk are,IMHO, just dangerous toys . They have impact and an accuracy thats often been compared to a Brown Bess.

I've always heard them praised for very high accuracy.

Why do we arm police with them if they are supposedly inaccurate?


farmerman wrote:
At best they are an urban assault weapon and thats where i have to assert that these things really have no logical bases of being other than to market a scary looking gun with over capacity bullet delivery,AND most are quickly tooled into full auto either by kit or bump stock.

The capacity is based on the magazine, not on the rifle. Put a five round magazine in an AR rifle and you have five shots.

Their logical basis is, they're a semi-auto rifle. Some people use semi-auto rifles for hunting and self defense.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2018 05:32 am
@oralloy,
Formerman is thinking in terms of AKs manufactured under varying conditions in commie satellite countries, and which used to turn up at US gunshows. Modern Russian military rifles,all based on the same Kalashnikov action, are fairly accurate and things like the SVD and Vepr are very accurate. Ever see what Russian kids learn about firearms in their schools??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrxjYfl05ek&t=124s

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2018 05:34 am
This question is still valid, which is the assault rifle?

https://able2know.org/topic/203933-1
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2018 05:38 am
Formerman views our president as a "lying egotistical moron"...

Meaningful issues in the 2016 election in something like order of importance:

The peace and safety of the world (Putin had told his military that if Hildabeast won the election, they were basically at war) while Justin Raimondo at antiwar dot com had endorsed Trump due to Trump's long-time adversity to frivolous use of the US military.

The collapse of the Wall St./London banking and monetary system. Donald Trump was the only person in the picture with both the guts and the resources to take on the bankers. Bankers in fact fear DT enough to have had 54 private jets parked at an offshore resort for a stop-Trump-at-any-cost meeting:
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=54+private+jets+georgia+resort+trump&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Immigration (Hilda, George, and Bork Obunga want a total end to borders and mass importation of what they view as democrat voting blocks, the cost to the nation be damned).

Gangsterism ( Clinton Foundation, pay2play, Clinton body count, murders, rape allegations... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3426438/posts?page=25#25 )

Treaties and trade deals, returning meaningful industry to the United States.

Racism/victimology ( Soros/BLM, orchestrated riots...)

All of those issues (other issues in the election are relatively minor) strongly mitigated in favor of Donald Trump and against the Hildabeast.

Americans are used to gangsterism and racism; what NOBODY is used to or has ever seen before is nuclear or thermonuclear war and hydrogen bombs going off, that would be a new experience for everybody. Hilda had stated that her first priority on taking office would be to kill Bashir Al Assad and that would have started WW-III.

The ONLY rational reason there was for voting for the Hildeabeast would have been that you are worried about dying of cancer, old age or some other mundane cause, and wasnted to go out in a blaze of glory in some sort of a nuclear holocaust in which the whole human race goes out at the same time.

We had a God-given shot at electing a president who would put Wall St. into an absolute zero-leverage situation and we took it; had we blown that chance and particularly if we had blown it for any sort of an asinine reason, it would not recur in the lifetime of anybody alive today.


There is still the question of all the snowflakes crying because they've just been saved from a nuclear war and holocaust. That is just ******* hard for rational/normal people to understand.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2018 05:54 am
Girl scout merit badge for gangsterism with image of Kate (Ma) Barker. Hillary Clinton is said to have one of only three or four of these ever issued:

https://steemitimages.com/DQmQekDrWfRxRozAzRK2PsFaRFL2LdNx4cFeS1C1z4jvdKU/image.png
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