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Obama..... not religious?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 06:48 pm
@okie,
So do you endorse Black Liberation Theology, snood, or do you even know what it is?

By the way, it is mostly politics, not religion, just a hint.
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That theology is no more silly or hateful then the most Theologies my friend.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 2 Sep, 2009 10:26 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

So do you endorse Black Liberation Theology, snood, or do you even know what it is?

By the way, it is mostly politics, not religion, just a hint.
---------------------------------------------------------
That theology is no more silly or hateful then the most Theologies my friend.



I'll answer your question if you answer this one first: Had you ever thought of Black Liberation Theology, or even heard of the term before the whole episode with Jeremiah Wright during Obama's campaign?
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 12:46 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

BillRM wrote:

So do you endorse Black Liberation Theology, snood, or do you even know what it is?

By the way, it is mostly politics, not religion, just a hint.
---------------------------------------------------------
That theology is no more silly or hateful then the most Theologies my friend.



I'll answer your question if you answer this one first: Had you ever thought of Black Liberation Theology, or even heard of the term before the whole episode with Jeremiah Wright during Obama's campaign?


or Chicago Politics ?
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 01:27 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

BillRM wrote:

So do you endorse Black Liberation Theology, snood, or do you even know what it is?

By the way, it is mostly politics, not religion, just a hint.
---------------------------------------------------------
That theology is no more silly or hateful then the most Theologies my friend.



I'll answer your question if you answer this one first: Had you ever thought of Black Liberation Theology, or even heard of the term before the whole episode with Jeremiah Wright during Obama's campaign?

That was not BillRM's question, it was mine. Just thought I would clarify that, as BillRM did not properly show that he quoted me. To answer, no, I had never heard of BLT until Obama ran for president, I had no idea such a thing even existed. I don't know what difference it makes to you before answering the question, but anyhow I hope that promotes an answer.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 08:11 am
@okie,
It makes a difference because the whole "Black Liberation Theology" thing didn't become something that was used in arguments by people trying to make a point about something much broader (black people or Christianity or Barack Obama's presidency) until Jeremiah Wright.

And no, from what little I know about it, I don't ascribe to any parts of it.
okie
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 09:21 am
@snood,
Good, I am glad to hear that you do not ascribe to any parts of it.

The reason it just recently came into the news or limelight is because it is the first time that it appeared to play a significant role in potential national policy, by virtue of the fact that Obama placed his faith in a religion that is wholly based upon it.

I see two possibilities for the reasons Obama endorsed BLT. I do not think Obama is a dumb person, so I have been compelled to believe he has much emotional or intellectual investments, sympathies, and agreement with it. Otherwise, he would not have kept going there for alot of years. This is not a mainstream belief at all, not even for black folks, is it snood? After all, look at the religion of J. C. Watts, it is worlds different. But again, BLT is more political than religious in my opinion. The other possibility is that Obama had no agreement with it and simply used the membership as a vehicle for community organizing in Chicago. That is almost as damning as the other possibility, and I don't see how there could be any other possibilities besides those two. I guess it is possible he was too blind to see the BLT as part of the church or he passed it off as totally harmless or insignificant, but I think that is too naive and dumb for anyone like Obama to do.

The main media pretty much dismissed BLT and Wright as insignificant, a non issue, it was left up to Talk Radio to talk about it, research it, and publicize it, but they were made fun of as nutcases. No, of course I disagree, and I believe some of these things give us a pretty good window into Obama's mindset, and so are extremely important. I think they are very unAmerican, and as a military guy that has dedicated your life to this country, I have to wonder how you feel about this deep down, or do you really think such things will lead to a better country?

I said it during the campaign, snood, but my fear is that Obama will set race relations back decades, because if he ends up being a flop, more blacks and liberals will blame racism, when it really had no blame at all, it is Obama's politics and incompetence. I would vote for any black conservative any day, its politics, not race. For example, when Michael Steele speaks, he voices what I believe, and I love the guy and what he stands for. This is not race at all, it is radical politics that we conservatives reject as totally unacceptable.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 09:29 am
@okie,
Quote:
not even for black folks, is it snood?
wowzer okie you really got a way with words.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 3 Sep, 2009 09:40 am
@okie,
"it was left up to Talk Radio to talk about it, research it, and publicize it, but they were made fun of as nutcases"

hmmmmm....

my first chuckle of the day, okester.

thanks.
okie
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 08:15 pm
@Rockhead,
Anytime somebody can laugh, thats great, its healthy. Perhaps
Van Jones is the latest nutcase to condemn talk radio? I wonder if that will make you laugh too?
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Pemerson
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2009 05:50 pm
Haven't read this entire thread, just parts, but I always thought it is the wife's, mother's, perogative where the children attend religious services - at least that's so in our family. Some people really take in what they learn from religion, while others go to church because that's the general thing done in U.S. or feel it's part of the kids' education.

Michelle Obama seems a very strong, family oriented, woman. Anyhow, her guy, Barak Obama, may have needed assistance in learning about his black heritage. It's also his right to learn about his father's religion. People could stop getting hysterical about every word Obama utters.

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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2009 06:48 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

..It makes a difference because the whole "Black Liberation Theology" thing ...


i've been cruelly subjected to White Liberation Theology my entire life.

snood
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 06:06 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
DontTreadOnMe wrote:

snood wrote:

..It makes a difference because the whole "Black Liberation Theology" thing ...


i've been cruelly subjected to White Liberation Theology my entire life.




a cogent point (unless you were being cute, in which case, snicker, snicker)
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 14 Sep, 2009 08:44 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
DontTreadOnMe wrote:

snood wrote:

..It makes a difference because the whole "Black Liberation Theology" thing ...


i've been cruelly subjected to White Liberation Theology my entire life.

Have you been living in a communist country?
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 16 Nov, 2009 07:51 pm
An interesting tidbit that I did not know until now. I knew that Jeremiah Wright is very very radical, but I was unaware that there are reports that he was a former muslim. This may explain why Wrights church gave Louis Farrakhan their Man of The Year award, which would be a strange recipient coming from a supposed Chistian church. This may also explain why the church also published the pro Hamas Manifesto. Also, I do not know the status of things right now there, perhaps they have cleaned up their website, but at one time I think the church was openly inviting believing Muslims to be members of the church. They do make a point of being home to alot of differing opinions, so it seems as if they are furthering a political organization of people more than they are a particular faith. It appears that the church truly does believe in the Black Liberation Theology stuff more than anything else.
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 08:43 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

An interesting tidbit that I did not know until now. I knew that Jeremiah Wright is very very radical, but I was unaware that there are reports that he was a former muslim. This may explain why Wrights church gave Louis Farrakhan their Man of The Year award, which would be a strange recipient coming from a supposed Chistian church. This may also explain why the church also published the pro Hamas Manifesto. Also, I do not know the status of things right now there, perhaps they have cleaned up their website, but at one time I think the church was openly inviting believing Muslims to be members of the church. They do make a point of being home to alot of differing opinions, so it seems as if they are furthering a political organization of people more than they are a particular faith. It appears that the church truly does believe in the Black Liberation Theology stuff more than anything else.


Who cares about Rev. Wright, unless you are conflating the details of Wright's life with that of Obama's. I guess you studied under Joe McCarthy.
okie
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 12:15 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
Who cares about Rev. Wright, unless you are conflating the details of Wright's life with that of Obama's. I guess you studied under Joe McCarthy.

Obama and Wright are joined at the hip, I think. I think it is no mere coicidence that Obama ended up in that church, complimenting and fully supporting the agenda. I believe Obama knew full well what Wright believed, and his beliefs are pretty much parallel to a large extent. If you study Wright, you will find out more about what lingers in the heart and mind of Obama. Like Wright, I think Obama thinks America has been unfair, unjust, and pretty rotten. This also explains why Michelle can finally be proud of her country, when Obama is on the scene, he is the only good thing about the country and he can start righting all the wrongs. What in the world do people think he was talking about when he shouted "change" for months at every campaign rally. He not only found it to be a winning strategy, but the man really believes it, he thinks America is rotten at its core, and I suppose alot of liberals think like he does, perish the thought. I also think Wright was a strident racist and bigot, and Obama thinks alot of the same stuff in his head, and he wants to right all the injustice. Social justice is their mantra, and what is so disturbing about it is the fact that almost every leftist to a man has ridden that horse to power in many many other countries, often to the ultimate detriment and downfall of some. If you don't believe that, review again my thread on ruthless dictators.
kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 02:06 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
If you study Wright, you will find out more about what lingers in the heart and mind of Obama.


And if you study a steaming dog turd, you'll find out exactly what lingers in the mind of Okie.

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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 02:38 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
Obama and Wright are joined at the hip, I think. I think it is no mere coicidence that Obama ended up in that church, complimenting and fully supporting the agenda. I believe Obama knew full well what Wright believed, and his beliefs are pretty much parallel to a large extent.

What other evidence/reasons can you show to back up your supposition on the internal workings of Obama's mind? Suppose Obama chose that church for reasons other than Rev. Wright's political opinions. How can you rule that out?
okie
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 06:25 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

okie wrote:
Obama and Wright are joined at the hip, I think. I think it is no mere coicidence that Obama ended up in that church, complimenting and fully supporting the agenda. I believe Obama knew full well what Wright believed, and his beliefs are pretty much parallel to a large extent.

What other evidence/reasons can you show to back up your supposition on the internal workings of Obama's mind? Suppose Obama chose that church for reasons other than Rev. Wright's political opinions. How can you rule that out?


I think Obama joined the church mostly for political reasons, because he needed to have contacts and a network in the community as part of his entire political operation, which was as a "community organizer." Also from what I have read, Wright used alot of bombastic political stuff to attract blacks that were straying off into other church organizations, even Islam. I think all the cross-currents of Wright's messages and style appealed to Obama because Obama harbored alot of the same kinds of contradictions in his own mind, due to his upbringing and varied backgrounds of his parents and grandparents. I believe Obama was searching for his own identity, and Wright's anger had a kind of appeal to him. It is my understanding also that Wright's church welcomed Muslims as members, although I have been unable to confirm that now, but I did read that over a year ago when all of this was going on hot and heavy about Wright. I also read recently that Wright had been reported to be a Muslim previously in his life, but I have been unable to confirm that. However, it would not be so surprising considering he gave the Man of the Year award to Farrakhan, published the Hamas Manifesto, he ranted against Jews, and it is reported the church welcomed Muslims.

Look, none of this is proven, this is not a news item, this is more like an opinion editorial, which is largely what this whole forum is anyway, but I think anyone that considers all of the factors surrounding this would surely admit there are alot of contradictions going on here, and my opinion makes as much sense as any others that I have read. I do not believe that Obama's and Wright's beliefs exist separately at all, I do not think it would be possible to go to a place and listen to a guy that long without having some kinship and measure of agreement. Interesting as well, I frankly don't know what Obama believes, and although he probably is not openly Muslim I think he carries along with him a significant degree of sympathies toward that faith. After all, he often brags glowingly about the faith and the achievements of Muslim countries, which seems to be a little haywire frankly, but who knows what the man believes? Does he? Anyway in regard to Wright and his church, frankly, most people would have walked out after once or twice if they did not swallow alot of the radical crap.

The following article provides one persons take on the situation, and there are many that can be read. It is anyone's guess into Obama's murky and less than clear mindset, that regularly apologizes for America, runs it down, and basically thinks alot of America is rotten, but apparently he thinks he can fix it all. The man is really a head case in my opinion, and it seems bizarre that he was elected.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/04/17/obama-joined-wrights-church-political-maneuver
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 06:33 am
@okie,
Okie's opinion
Quote:
my opinion makes as much sense as any others that I have read.

Kicky's opinion
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And if you study a steaming dog turd, you'll find out exactly what lingers in the mind of Okie.
 

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