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Israeli airstrikes in Gaza kill more than 200

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 12:28 pm
@roger,
Quote:
Maybe, if a Iran and a few others would stop supplying the Palestinians. . . ?


Roger, this must have been major tongue in cheek.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 01:01 pm
I just saw a video how Israeli troops moved into Gaza this afternoon. And ten thousands IDF reservists are called ...

(According to the Israelian military, the ground offensive has started.)

Fountofwisdom
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 03:33 pm
Hardly suprising: the phrase get away with murder springs to mind.
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Fountofwisdom
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 04:34 pm
500 deaths now: 100 of them are children. At what stage will the supporters of genocide decide the killing must stop. The ground invasion is just to prevent a cease fire
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Zippo
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 04:37 pm
The Other Side of the Story!

We have heard the Palestinian side of the story, as you can see from the images below:

click link for images:
http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story


Now, let's see the other side of the story, shall we?

The carnage, the destruction, the annihilation, the pain, and the horror caused by qassam rockets:

click same link but half way down:
http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story
Fountofwisdom
 
  1  
Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 04:45 pm
@Zippo,
I ask a simple question: at which stage do you consider murder of innocents and genocide wrong: it seems the American backers of the slaughter won't even call for a cease fire.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 07:20 pm
@Fountofwisdom,
Quote:
... it seems the American backers of the slaughter won't even call for a cease fire.


A large majority of Americans are inured to the slaughter of innocents outside their borders. Water off a duck's back.
Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 07:36 pm
@Fountofwisdom,
Fountofwisdom wrote:

I also point out that America did nothing to stop Hitler: it was Pearl harbour that bought the U.S. into the war. The were the first country to introduce immigration controls: primarily so they could help Hitler persecute the Jews.


The above statement is false and offensive. As an American Jew whose family has been in the U.S. for 125 years, you apprarently do not know the history of Jews in the U.S. There has never been state sponsored anti-Semitism in the U.S., as there has been state sponsored anti-Semitism in several European countries.

The reason, I believe, that European Jews were limited in immigrating to the U.S. prior to WWII reflects society's anti-Semitism which did exist. In my opinion, it was to prevent the many men drafted into the war (that some did not care for) from thinking of the war as a war to fight in behalf of the Jews. In the way of analogy, in 1863 there were riots against the American Civil War draft by Irish immigrants. Having come here in only the early 1850's they did not care to fight in a war. And, they made it also known that they did not come to the U.S. to fight a war for Black liberation (the pharaseology was not so nicely stated). So, I can guess the powers that were in Washington prior to WWII knew their American history, and did not want a repeat of draftees thinking the war had anything to do with Jews. Yes, there was a lot of anti-Semitism in the U.S. in the first half of the 20th century, just like there was a lot of anti-Irish sentiment in the 19th century. But, you should not make quantum leaps in history, and ascribe motives to the U.S. that are totally false.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 07:37 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

I just saw a video how Israeli troops moved into Gaza this afternoon. And ten thousands IDF reservists are called ...

(According to the Israelian military, the ground offensive has started.)




Thank you Paul Revere.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 07:42 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
... it seems the American backers of the slaughter won't even call for a cease fire.


A large majority of Americans are inured to the slaughter of innocents outside their borders. Water off a duck's back.


9/11 had an inuring effect? Marines barracks blown up in Lebanon had an inuring effect? Blackhawk down had an inuring effect? Mubai had an inuring effect? Afghanistan had an inuring effect? The surge in Iraq had an inuring effect? The milk of human kindness flows from radical Muslim terrorists; that must be causing an inuring effect.

JTT
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 08:05 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
9/11 had an inuring effect? Marines barracks blown up in Lebanon had an inuring effect? Blackhawk down [Somalia] had an inuring effect? Mubai had an inuring effect? Afghanistan had an inuring effect? The surge in Iraq had an inuring effect? The milk of human kindness flows from radical Muslim terrorists; that must be causing an inuring effect.


Note that you assholes were in other people's countries. I clearly wasn't referring to these legitimate attacks on invasive and obnoxious US forces.

Now do a little research. You've presented a fine example of the scum that I referred to in my previous post. The number of innocents killed by radical Muslims doesn't come anywhere close to the number of innocents that America has murdered.




Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 08:45 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
9/11 had an inuring effect? Marines barracks blown up in Lebanon had an inuring effect? Blackhawk down [Somalia] had an inuring effect? Mubai had an inuring effect? Afghanistan had an inuring effect? The surge in Iraq had an inuring effect? The milk of human kindness flows from radical Muslim terrorists; that must be causing an inuring effect.


Note that you assholes were in other people's countries. I clearly wasn't referring to these legitimate attacks on invasive and obnoxious US forces.

Now do a little research. You've presented a fine example of the scum that I referred to in my previous post. The number of innocents killed by radical Muslims doesn't come anywhere close to the number of innocents that America has murdered.


You are approaching your discussion from a postion of offensive statements. Sorry, I do not respond to that style of discourse.
Xenoche
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2009 11:47 pm
@Zippo,
Being an Israeli soldier looks like fun from the looks of those pics Zip.
Like playing GTA4, only legal (by their standards anyway).

If my family got bombed, I'd want to shoot rockets at Israel too.

Glad I'm not there, bad luck for those born in f*cked up places, with f*cked up zealots and their f*cked up ideas.

Bad f*cking luck.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2009 12:06 am
@Foofie,
JTT

I do hope you re-phrase your "discourse" in more polite terms.

I would be most interested in Foofie's response.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2009 12:31 am
So we're going to be allowed reporting from just 8 vetted (by the Israeli government) journalists? Well I, for one, would like to have access to the complete "on the ground" details of what's actually happening in Gaza, rather than relying on "sources" for information. Especially in the light of the latest developments. If Israel believes it is totally in the right in this situation, then what does it have to hide? Israel is a democracy, yes? But these sorts of restrictions are really not that much better than those which have been imposed by the governments of Nth Korea, Burma, China regarding Tibet during the Olympics, etc, ... :

Israel to allow small number of foreign journalists into Gaza

Arrangement could become a permanent restriction on international media's access to besieged territory

Israel says it will allow up to eight people from the foreign media to enter the Gaza Strip when it next opens its Erez crossing to the besieged Palestinian territory for humanitarian purposes.

The arrangement, which comes two months after Israel began banning foreign journalists from entering Gaza, could become a permanent restriction on the international media's access.

"This was the arrangement agreed upon by Israel's high court and this is the arrangement that will take place from now on," said Major Peter Lerner, a spokesman for the Israeli military's civil administration in the West Bank and Gaza.

Asked if foreign journalists would be given unrestricted access in the future, Lerner said: "It doesn't look like it's going to be possible for the time being."

Israel also wants to vet the list of eight people which will be submitted by the Foreign Press Association, which represents the international media here.

For the past 18 months Israel has imposed an increasingly tough blockade on Gaza with the stated aim of weakening Hamas's control on the territory.

In early November Israel again tightened the closure, banning the international media for several days at a time. Foreign journalists have been locked out since last Saturday, when the invasion began.

Israel says it will allow eight people from foreign media organisations into Gaza each time it opens the Erez crossing into the tiny territory, despite an Israeli supreme court ruling on Wednesday that up to 12 people should be allowed to enter.

The court made the ruling after the Foreign Press Association mounted a legal challenge to Israel's media blockade.

While Israel's domestic media has been largely locked out of the Palestinian territories for several years, foreign journalists were generally given regular access.

But when the six-month ceasefire with Hamas began unravelling at the start of November Israel began to close the crossings, saying it was too dangerous for journalists to enter.

Still, it opened the crossing to journalists for several hours last Friday, the day before it began bombing Gaza

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/02/israel-gaza-media-access
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Zippo
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2009 02:33 pm
We have heard the Palestinian side of the story, as you can see from the images below:

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Now, let's see the other side of the story, shall we?

The carnage, the destruction, the annihilation, the pain, and the horror caused by qassam rockets:


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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2009 02:44 pm
@Zippo,
good post, what is the source of the pics?
Zippo
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2009 02:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
Right click on any photo and properties.

http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2009 07:23 pm
@Zippo,
Are the black clad dead men in the photos those that were at the Hamas ceremony the first day of the air strikes? They were not innocent civilians if yes, in my opinion, since they are involved in the organization that continued firing the rockets, until Israel decided to strike back. I feel very sorry for the civilian and especially the children that were injured, or worse. I not only feel sorry for them for being victims of the air strikes, but for being part of a society that would carry on a war where these non-combatants lived.

By showing the Gaza dead and wounded in gruesome photos, and then showing the rockets that look like harmless toys (they are not), is there some point here? Perhaps, if Hamas enjoys firing rockets, they could fire them somewhere where there are no people? In that way, Israeli families will not have to be running to air raid shelters several times each day, as a siren warns of an incoming rocket. Personally, I would have no patience with any foreign entity that thinks harrassing Americans is just plain old good fun, or something like that. So, I understand Israel's retaliation after years of these rocket firings.

Well, apparently they did retaliate, and the dead are truly dead, and the wounded are truly wounded. There will likely be more dead in Gaza as this continues. It is sad that the Gaza civilians are governed by some people that would let them die for their cause.

Perhaps, that is not on what people are focussing. What is the emotion when a rocket is fired, and what is the emotion when an airstrike retaliates. Is it that the Hamas government has a great ability to hate, beyond what many people can understand? Or, is there a delusion that they are doing God's work? Or, is this just avaricious desire for the land that the Jews now inhabit?
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2009 10:21 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
What is the emotion when a rocket is fired, and what is the emotion when an airstrike retaliates. Is it that the Hamas government has a great ability to hate, beyond what many people can understand? Or, is there a delusion that they are doing God's work? Or, is this just avaricious desire for the land that the Jews now inhabit?


No, I don't think it's any of that, Foofie. I think it's an unwillingness to accept a life which is wretched & offers little hope of improvement & some dignity. Gaza looks like one big concentration camp, squashed full of desperate people with little hope of a better future. You can like it or not, you can understand it or choose not to, but the Israeli government is seen by these people in Gaza (& the the Left Bank, etc) as a (much more powerful) oppressor. And it is not surprising, as futile as it seems, & by employing such pathetic means compared to the powerful Israeli weapons of war, that they choose to fight back against those who oppress them. Put simply, life as second class citizens living under such hardship is unendurable. That's what happens in these situations. In the 1960s & 70s it was called guerilla warfare - as witnessed in Vietnam in response to US warfare. I am not glorifying war & conflict in any way, I'm simply saying I'm not at all surprised that people who suffer such indignities choose to fight back. In the mentime, yet more Israeli settlers move into the West Bank & yet more grievances develop ....
 

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