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Israeli airstrikes in Gaza kill more than 200

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Robert Gentel
 
Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 09:34 pm
Israeli airstrikes in Gaza kill more than 200
Hamas says compounds hit, threatens to resume suicide attacks

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Israeli warplanes retaliating for rocket fire from the Gaza Strip pounded dozens of security compounds across the Hamas-ruled territory in unprecedented waves of airstrikes Saturday, killing more than 200 people and wounding nearly 400 in the single bloodiest day of fighting in years.



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The offensive began eight days after a six-month truce between Israel and the militants expired. The Israeli army says Palestinian militants have fired some 300 rockets and mortars at Israeli targets over the past week, and in recent days, Israeli leaders had threatened to launch a major offensive.

“There is a time for calm and there is a time for fighting, and now is the time for fighting,” said Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak, vowing to expand the operation if necessary.

Asked whether Hamas political leaders might be targeted, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni declared at a news conference: “Hamas is a terrorist organization and nobody is immune.”


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Israeli military officials said more than 100 tons of bombs were dropped on Gaza by mid-afternoon. They spoke on condition of anonymity under military guidelines.

Defiant Hamas leaders threatened revenge. Hamas “will continue the resistance until the last drop of blood,” vowed spokesman Fawzi Barhoum.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 09:37 pm
@Robert Gentel,
I have to disagree with Mr. Barak, I don't think this is sound strategy on their part. I hope that Hamas' call to start a 3rd uprising is defeated by cooler heads so that the peace process isn't stalled even further.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 10:08 pm
@Robert Gentel,
The fact that no more than about 200 people have been killed says that Israel is still being terribly picky in choosing targets; no other nation on Earth would be anywhere near as picky given the provocation in question.

Other than that, the idea of a "Peace process(TM)" in this picture is idiotic. You've got an entire group of people who've managed to totally indoctrinate and brainwash themselves and totally go feral. Any other nation on Earth would waste no time in exterminating them.

http://pmw.org.il/

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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 10:40 pm
Israeli forces poised for assault on Gaza: reports
Posted 2 hours 44 minutes ago
Updated 1 hour 57 minutes ago

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200812/r326833_1466501.jpg
Destruction: Palestinians inspect a Hamas police station hit in the Israeli air strikes (AFP)

Israeli media is reporting that the army is reinforcing its ground forces near the Gaza border after warplanes launched devastating strikes on the Hamas-ruled enclave.

The Israeli military spokesman's office declined to comment on reports of a troop build-up, but Israeli officials earlier refused to rule out a ground operation in Gaza.

The Haaretz newspaper said Israeli ground troops and tanks were being mobilised close to the Gaza border early on Sunday (local time) in preparation for a possible ground incursion. ...<cont>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/28/2455740.htm

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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 10:45 pm
The Gazans are asking for it, and it's high time someone gave it to them.

Well done, Israel.

I think I'll go get a pizza and some Guinness to celebrate.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 10:45 pm
hamas kills one Isreali, and Israel kills 225 Palestinians so far.....ya, that will work....The rest of the Arabs have no love for Hamas, but they can;t tolerate the wholesale slaughter of Palestinians either. Israel is brain dead, they will never wise up.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:06 pm
Commentary/Guardian UK:

To be in Gaza is to be trapped

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What Israel hopes to achieve with the present military offensive " beyond influencing the coming Israeli elections " is not clear. For if a long-anticipated ground operation, leading to a partial reoccupation on the ground, is to follow these air strikes " as it did in the war in Lebanon in 2006 " it will have to achieve what neither Hamas nor its rival Fatah can: unifying Palestinian society once more against a common enemy, as Gaza was once united against Israeli settlements inside its boundaries.

If that is not the intention, it is hard to see what Israel's actions are meant to achieve in a community that cherishes its martyrs; where violent death is intended to reinforce social cohesion and unity.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/27/israelandthepalestinians-terrorism
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:10 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:
Commentary/Guardian UK:

To be in Gaza is to be trapped

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What Israel hopes to achieve with the present military offensive " beyond influencing the coming Israeli elections " is not clear. For if a long-anticipated ground operation, leading to a partial reoccupation on the ground, is to follow these air strikes " as it did in the war in Lebanon in 2006 " it will have to achieve what neither Hamas nor its rival Fatah can: unifying Palestinian society once more against a common enemy, as Gaza was once united against Israeli settlements inside its boundaries.

If that is not the intention, it is hard to see what Israel's actions are meant to achieve in a community that cherishes its martyrs; where violent death is intended to reinforce social cohesion and unity.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/27/israelandthepalestinians-terrorism


What Israel is achieving is the eradication of terrorists.
roger
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:11 pm
What's up? We're sounding like rockets and mortar shells are like kids tossing water balloons. They are not.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:12 pm
@oralloy,
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What Israel is achieving is the creation of more terrorists.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
The rest of the Arabs have no love for Hamas, but they can;t tolerate the wholesale slaughter of Palestinians either.


What are they going to do, whine extra loudly?



hawkeye10 wrote:
Israel is brain dead, they will never wise up.


Judging by today's outstanding bombing campaign, Israel has finally wised up.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
What Israel is achieving is the creation of more terrorists.


There are a finite number of Palestinians. Sooner or later all the ones who are inclined to become terrorists will have been killed.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:18 pm
@roger,
what we are talking about is Israel's inability to respond with Proportional force.....using overwhelming force against civil disrest only works if you have the ability to eliminate the opposition. Israel does not have this ability because the Arabs will never allow it. Israel, as usual, as misjudged the situation...they are prisoners of their success in 1967....they can not adapt to current reality.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:19 pm
@roger,
But that doesn't change that they aren't likely to stop the attacks this way and that another intifada would be in neither side's interest.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:22 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
There are a finite number of Palestinians. Sooner or later all the ones who are inclined to become terrorists will have been killed.


If Israel wants to maintain its identity as a Jewish state and a democracy it is in their interest to resolve the territorial issues through a two-state solution and not to prolong the conflict.

"Kill them all" is just a stupid knee jerk response that won't help Israel.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:25 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Israel has not let Palestine import currency or goods, thus all that is aval is what Hamas has smuggled in...ya, empowering Hamas works for Israel.

There will be no intifada because the Palestinians have been too beat down......Israel will continue to beat and beat upon the Palestinians until the Arabs have finally had enough and end the abuse through military means.

msolga
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:25 pm
@Robert Gentel,
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If Israel wants to maintain its identity as a Jewish state and a democracy it is in their interest to resolve the territorial issues through a two-state solution and not to prolong the conflict.


It is certainly not in either side's interests for an escalation of hostilities at this time.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:29 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:
oralloy wrote:
There are a finite number of Palestinians. Sooner or later all the ones who are inclined to become terrorists will have been killed.


If Israel wants to maintain its identity as a Jewish state and a democracy it is in their interest to resolve the territorial issues through a two-state solution and not to prolong the conflict.


You can't resolve the conflict when the other side refuses to resolve it.




Robert Gentel wrote:
"Kill them all" is just a stupid knee jerk response that won't help Israel.


Israel is only trying to kill the terrorists. Once the terrorists are dead, they will be able to pull back and leave Gaza alone.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
what we are talking about is Israel's inability to respond with Proportional force.....using overwhelming force against civil disrest only works if you have the ability to eliminate the opposition. Israel does not have this ability because the Arabs will never allow it. Israel, as usual, as misjudged the situation...they are prisoners of their success in 1967....they can not adapt to current reality.


"The Arabs" have no power to prevent Israel from doing anything they want.

Israel's actions are also highly proportional. They are only doing what is necessary to eliminate the threat.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 27 Dec, 2008 11:34 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:
Robert Gentel wrote:
If Israel wants to maintain its identity as a Jewish state and a democracy it is in their interest to resolve the territorial issues through a two-state solution and not to prolong the conflict.


It is certainly not in either side's interests for an escalation of hostilities at this time.


I disagree. This bombing campaign has been way too long in coming.
 

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