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Israeli airstrikes in Gaza kill more than 200

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 02:26 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Olmert badly miscalculated in launching the 2006 offensive against Hezbollah -- and he's probably making the same mistake in Gaza, which will cost many lives and subject Israel to another round of international opprobrium while distracting attention from the more serious threat of Iran. Despite his bold intentions, Olmert proved unwilling or unable to stand up to the Jewish settlement movement in the West Bank; his government failed to dismantle even those outposts it has repeatedly declared illegal.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/28/AR2008122801277.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

sounds right
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 02:33 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
While the fighting lasts -- and Israeli officials were warning yesterday that it could be prolonged -- Hamas's principal sponsor, Iran, will have achieved a tactical success. Israeli diplomats have been working feverishly in recent weeks to focus international attention on the Iranian nuclear program as the Obama administration prepares to take office. They've been warning that the new U.S. president will have to act quickly if an Iranian bomb is to be stopped. Now, for weeks or possibly months to come, all eyes will be on Gaza -- on the fighting, the continued suffering of civilians and the need for a fresh settlement. Israel might have avoided this fight, and gained a diplomatic advantage of its own, by relaxing the economic blockade. Now it will be embroiled in a costly battle that, in the end, is a distraction from the most serious threat it faces.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/27/AR2008122700976.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Israel=inept leadership
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 02:47 am
Israel mounts third day of Gaza raids, 307 killed
Posted 2 hours 15 minutes ago/ABC news (Australia)

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200812/r326972_1467430.jpg
Arab anger: a doll symbolising a wounded Palestinian child hangs on barbed wire protecting the Egyptian Embassy in Beirut during a protest against the Israeli air strikes. (AFP: Ramzi Haidar)

Israeli warplanes have pounded the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip for a third consecutive day and the Jewish state has prepared to launch a possible invasion after killing 307 Palestinians in the air raids.

Israel, which stepped up the air strikes after dark on Sunday, said it launched the campaign on Saturday in response to almost daily rocket and mortar fire that intensified after the Islamist Hamas group ended a six-month ceasefire a week ago.

Mark Regev, a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, said the military action would go on until the population in southern Israel "no longer live in terror and in fear of constant rocket barrages".

"(The operation could) take many days," said military spokesman Avi Benayahu.


Israeli tanks were deployed on Gaza's edge, poised to enter the densely populated coastal enclave of 1.5 million Palestinians. Olmert's cabinet approved a call-up of 6,500 reservists, a government official said.

Hamas remained defiant and the group's spokesman Fawzi Barhoum urged Palestinian groups to use "all available means, including martyrdom operations" - a reference to suicide bombings in Israel.

World oil prices rose as much as $US2 to nearly $US40 a barrel on Monday as analysts said the conflict between Israel and Hamas had reminded traders of the geopolitical risk to crude supplies from the Middle East.

The UN Security Council called for a halt to the violence, but US President George W Bush's administration, in its final weeks in office, has put the onus on Hamas to renew the truce.

The Israeli offensive enraged Arabs across the Middle East, where protesters burned Israeli and US flags to press for a stronger response from their leaders to the attack on Gaza.

Israel, whose politicians have been under pressure to act over the rocket and mortar attacks ahead of a February 10 election, was feeling little international pressure to halt its offensive, said an Israeli official, who declined to be named.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, who hopes to become prime minister after the February election, appeared to rule out a large-scale invasion to restore Israeli control of the blockaded territory, once dotted with Jewish settlements.

"Our goal is not to reoccupy Gaza Strip," she said on NBC's "Meet the Press" programme. Asked on Fox News if Israel was out to topple Gaza's Hamas rulers, Ms Livni said: "Not now."


Broadening their targets to include the Hamas government, Israeli warplanes bombed the Interior Ministry on Monday, Palestinian sources said. No immediate word was available on whether there were any casualties.

Palestinian medical workers said among those killed on Sunday were five young sisters in northern Gaza and three young children in a house near the abandoned home of a senior Hamas militant in Rafah.

Hamas said 180 of its members had been killed and that the rest of the more than 300 dead included civilians, among them 16 women and some children.

Ms Livni said Israel was targeting militants but "unfortunately in a war ... sometimes also civilians pay the price".

The International Red Cross said hospitals in the Gaza Strip were overwhelmed and unable to cope with the casualties. ...<cont>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/29/2456226.htm



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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 08:57 am
What would a proportional response be? Randomly lobbing small rockets and mortars into Gaza? Sending in a couple of cops and try to arrest the terrorists? I wonder how they would do that. Do the terrorists shooting rockets and mortars into Israel wear uniforms or something to differentiate themselves from the general populace?

Seriously, what would a proportional response look like from Israel?
Endymion
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 09:23 am
@McGentrix,
why not read and learn?

http://able2know.org/topic/81165-59#post-3516024

you could start with

Johann Hari: The true story behind this war is not the one Israel is telling

http://able2know.org/topic/81165-59#post-3516024
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 09:30 am
Yes, the Palestinian supporters are very good with the propaganda, but that doesn't answer the question.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 09:33 am
@Endymion,
Where in your link does it say what a proportional response should be?

And from your link...

Quote:
"The day Hamas were (democratically) elected, Israel started the blockade of Gaza as collective punishment for voting the wrong way.The mainly feeble rocket attacks then began.
The west has been silent on Israel's method of dealing with a legitimately elected government it does not like and the punishment of innocents.It is now time for the UN or others to control the borders of Palestinian lands"
Comment - Independent UK 28th Dec 2008


So tell me, is it now wrong for a country to refuse to deal with a govt they dont like?


Endymion
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 09:38 am
@mysteryman,
We each have to decide for ourselves what the right thing to do is.
Judging by your quick response i suppose you didn't bother reading any of it with any real interest in discovery.

The Palestinians and Israelis are BOTH Semites

If you point your finger at Gaza and say "That's righteous"
then you are contributing to the destruction of a race.

That's up to you. I'm not going to try and talk anyone out of being a Nazi - i just don't wnt to be one myself

BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 10:35 am
UPDATE: Attack on Gaza -- Self-Defense or Mass Murder?
By Greg Mitchell - E & P
Published: December 27, 2008 11:59 PM ET updated 7:00 PM ET

NEW YORK (Commentary) In the usual process, the U.S. government -- and media here -- are playing down questions about whether Israel overreacted in its massive air strikes on Gaza, while the foreign press, and even Haaretz in Israel, carries more balanced accounts. The early reports on Sunday already reveal the bombing of a TV station and mosque and preparations for an invasion.

A new analysis at Haaretz: "A million and a half human beings, most of them downcast and desperate refugees, live in the conditions of a giant jail, fertile ground for another round of bloodletting. The fact that Hamas may have gone too far with its rockets is not the justification of the Israeli policy for the past few decades, for which it justly merits an Iraqi shoe to the face."

Another opinion piece in Haaretz -- titled, "Neighborhood Bully Strikes Again" -- by Gideon Levy: "Israel embarked yesterday on yet another unnecessary, ill-fated war. On July 16, 2006, four days after the start of the Second Lebanon War, I wrote: 'Every neighborhood has one, a loud-mouthed bully who shouldn't be provoked into anger... Not that the bully's not right - someone did harm him. But the reaction, what a reaction!' Two and a half years later, these words repeat themselves, to our horror, with chilling precision. Within the span of a few hours on a Saturday afternoon, the IDF sowed death and destruction on a scale that the Qassam rockets never approached in all their years, and Operation 'Cast Lead' is only in its infancy."

Also from Haaretz, Zvi Barel writes: "Six months ago Israel asked and received a cease-fire from Hamas. It unilaterally violated it when it blew up a tunnel, while still asking Egypt to get the Islamic group to hold its fire."

Amira Hass, the paper's correspondent in Gaza, reports: "There are many corpses and wounded, every moment another casualty is added to the list of the dead, and there is no more room in the morgue. Relatives search among the bodies and the wounded in order to bring the dead quickly to burial. A mother whose three school-age children were killed, and are piled one on top of the other in the morgue, screams and then cries, screams again and then is silent."

From the lead Haaretz editorial: "[T]he inherent desire for retribution does not necessarily have to blind us to the view from the day after....Israel's violation of the lull in November expedited the deterioration that gave birth to the war of yesterday. But even if this continues for many days and even weeks, it will end in an agreement, or at least an understanding similar to that reached last June."

The Independent, a major daily in London has an eyewitness account, ending with: "These bombs were launched by Israel, as we had known they would be. The world watched the situation simmer then boil over, but did nothing. There are some who believe that hell is divided into different classes. The ordinary people of Gaza have long been caught in the tormenting underworld. Now, if the world does not heed what has happened here, our situation will worsen. We will be trapped in the first class of hell."

UPDATE: A McClatchy dispatch quotes Daniel Levy, a political analyst in Israel who once served as an adviser to Ehud Barak, who is leading the military campaign against Hamas: "I don't see how this ends well, even if, in two weeks time, it looks like it ends well."

Haaretz has just posted this from another columnist, Tom Segev: "[T]he assault on Gaza does not first and foremost demand moral condemnation - it demands a few historical reminders. Both the justification given for it and the chosen targets are a replay of the same basic assumptions that have proven wrong time after time. Yet Israel still pulls them out of its hat again and again, in one war after another."

And this from another columnist, Akiva Eldar: "The tremendous population density in the Gaza Strip does not allow a "surgical operation" over an extended period that would minimize damage to civilian populations. The difficult images from the Strip will soon replace those of the damage inflicted by Qassam rockets in the western Negev. The scale of losses, which works in 'favor' of the Palestinians, will return Israel to the role of Goliath."

Late Sunday, The New York Times reported, "At Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, women wailed as they searched for relatives among bodies that lay strewn on the hospital floor. One doctor said that given the dearth of facilities, not much could be done for the seriously wounded, and that it was 'better to be brought in dead.'”

The Washington Post revealed, "By late Sunday night, the toll had reached 290 dead and as many as 1,300 wounded, Moawia Hassanain, a senior Palestinian Health Ministry official, said in an interview. The fatalities included 22 children younger than 16; more than 235 children were wounded, he said."
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 10:44 am
@Endymion,
Where did I say anything about "destroying a race"?
You said that, I didnt.

But, you posted a link and suggested that the answer to how Israel should respond was in that link. I simply pointed out that there was nothing there.

But, exactly how much patience and tolerance should Israel show to the rocket attacks?
Are you saying that they should do nothing about them?

Also, you didnt answer my question.
Is Israel not allowed to decide what govts they want to do business with?
Are you saying the Palestinians should be allowed to decide if Israel recognizes the Hamas govt or not?

How about if Israel did recognize the Hamas govt, but then totally ignored them?
Would it be OK with you if Israel recognized the Hamas govt, then cut off ALL trade with that govt that crossed Israeli territory.
Isreal should cut off all fuel shipments, close all border crossings, stop any and all infrastructure support, stop any food shipments that cross Isreali territory, and make the Hamas govt sink or swim on its own.
If Hamas wants to be a legitimate govt, then Israel has the legal right to treat them as one.
So, if they want to stop the Hamas govt from importing anything through any means that would cross Israeli territory, would that be ok.
After all, its up to a govt to support its people, not a foreign govt to support them.

Would that be acceptable to you?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 10:51 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Analysis: 'I don't see how this ends well' in Gaza
By Dion Nissenbaum | McClatchy Newspapers
12/29/08

JERUSALEM " As Israel clamps down on the Gaza Strip and prepares for the possibility of sending thousands of soldiers into the Palestinian area controlled by the militant Islamic group Hamas, its leaders are facing a diplomatic conundrum: They have clear military goals but no political vision for how to end the confrontation.

"I don't see how this ends well, even if, in two weeks time, it looks like it ends well," said Daniel Levy, a political analyst who once served as an adviser to Ehud Barak, the former Israeli prime minister who's now leading the military campaign against Hamas as Israel's defense minister.

Israel's expanding air strikes already have delivered a costly blow to the Hamas rulers in Gaza by killing hundreds of the group's soldiers and decimating its network of government security compounds.

Beyond that, though, Israeli leaders haven't explained what could bring the violence to a halt. Once the smoke clears, the rubble is removed and the dead are buried, Hamas is still almost certain to remain in control of the Gaza Strip, and its hard-line leaders are already vowing to strike back.

"To the extent to which there's a scenario where Israel wins a tactical round, it will again lose a strategic round," said Levy, a senior fellow at The New America Foundation, a liberal policy institute in Washington, D.C. that's providing ideas and personnel to the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama.

Israel's ongoing campaign is already creating an early foreign policy test for Obama, who's pledged to make Middle East diplomacy an early priority when he takes office next month.

On Sunday, Obama chief lieutenant David Axelrod offered tacit backing for Israel, blaming Hamas for sparking the conflict as the Bush administration also has done. If Obama continues to offer similar unqualified support for Israeli military action, it could make it harder for him to demonstrate to the Arab world that he's a more even-handed middleman than Bush has been.

Israeli officials Sunday said their top priority is to destabilize Hamas and cripple its ability to keep firing the crude rockets into southern Israel that have killed seven Israelis in the last two years.

Here the Israeli government appears to have learned a lesson from its bungled 2006 war in Lebanon against fighters from Hezbollah, another militant Islamic group. There, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert failed to achieve his main goals: Forcing Hezbollah to return the two Israeli soldiers whose capture sparked the 34-day war and silencing rocket fire from Shiite Muslim militants in southern Lebanon.

"What we want to do is significantly reduce the rocket fire," said Miri Eisin, a reserve colonel in the Israeli Army and spokeswoman for the Israeli government. "If Hamas says no more rocket fire, then we'll see where that goes."

Olmert and his government, however, refuse to negotiate directly with Hamas until the group, which is supported by Iran and Syria, renounces its goal of destroying Israel.

The standoff worsened last year when, after winning 2006 democratic elections that were backed by the Bush administration, Hamas seized military control of Gaza in a humiliating rout of forces loyal to pragmatic Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

Since then, Israel and the U.S. have been trying to provide political support to Abbas by trying to revive stagnant peace talks and helping to rebuild his security forces in the West Bank, between Israel and Jordan.

The goal is to show the Palestinian voters who propelled Hamas to political power in 2006 that Abbas and his pro-Western government are a better alternative.

"We have a dialogue with the Palestinian Authority," said Eisin. "You don't have an alternative to that at the end of the day."

If anything, however, the U.S.-Israeli effort has pushed Abbas and Hamas farther apart and made re-uniting the rival Palestinian factions more difficult.

That leaves Israel, the United States and Abbas with few diplomatic options: Hamas refuses to abandon its pledge to destroy Israel while Israel and the U.S. refuse to talk to Hamas until the group does. Abbas, meanwhile, refuses to reconcile with Hamas until the group surrenders control of Gaza.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 10:54 am
@Endymion,
BTW,
Where are your posts complaining about the rocket attacks against Israel?
Where are your posts condemning tha violence against Israel?

You dont seem to object to those attacks, but you object to Israel retaliating.
Why is that?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 10:57 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
Quote:
Olmert and his government, however, refuse to negotiate directly with Hamas until the group, which is supported by Iran and Syria, renounces its goal of destroying Israel.


Thats sounds reasonable to me.

Why should I talk to you if your only goal is my complete destruction?
How do you compromise with someone whose only stated goal is your death?
Do you agree on how they kill you or WHEN they kill you?

Is that how you compromise with them?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 12:36 pm
They complain about not being able to import food, medical supplies, yarn, dinner ware etc, yet they are never short of missiles, rockets and mortars to fire into Israel.

Perhaps instead of smuggling in weapons, they smuggled in trade goods I would probably have a different opinion about the matter. But, until Hamas stops the stupid and useless penis waving, they deserve what they get.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 12:38 pm
"Neither Israel nor the Palestinians have a unified position towards the other," writes Sherifa Zuhur, professor of Islamic and regional studies at the u:s: aRMY Strategic Studies Institute. "Each group is socialized in particular ways, through the educational system, employment experiences; and for Israelis, in the military, in political parties, families, and bureaucracies."

Sherifa Zuhur, U.S. Army Strategic Studies Institute, December 2008: Hamas and Israel: Conflicting Strategies of Group-Based Politics

Quote:
The underlying strategies of Israel and HAMAS appear mutually exclusive and did not, prior to the summer of 2008, offer much hope of a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian-Arab conflict. Yet each side is still capable of revising its desired endstate and of necessary concessions to establish and preserve a longterm truce, or even a longer-term peace.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 01:23 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

They complain about not being able to import food, medical supplies, yarn, dinner ware etc, yet they are never short of missiles, rockets and mortars to fire into Israel.

Perhaps instead of smuggling in weapons, they smuggled in trade goods I would probably have a different opinion about the matter. But, until Hamas stops the stupid and useless penis waving, they deserve what they get.


The Israelian defense minister has a different opinion (according to e.g. The Jerusalem Post):
Quote:
The defense minister also reassured Kouchner and Blair that "Israel will not refrain from transferring humanitarian aid to the residents of Gaza." He reiterated that "the residents of Gaza are not the target" of the operation.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 02:28 pm
From Simon Tisdall's comment in the Guardian
Quote:
But whatever its origins, the practical effect of this collective impotence, coupled with the US and Europe's mealy mouthed approach, is to give Israel a free hand for almost as long as it wants.

The other main consequence is even more disturbing. To the people most affected by the violence, and to Arabs more generally, international inaction looks like complicity with Israel. It looks like collaboration.

All peace talks, bilateral or otherwise, are now on indefinite hold. And the longer the killing continues unchecked, the more radicalising and polarising its impact on ordinary people. It has been a dreadful few days in Gaza. But Iran's Revolutionary Guards and others of their militantly confrontational ilk in Syria and Lebanon must be loving every minute of it.
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Zippo
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 02:56 pm
About those "Rocket Attacks" against Israel. . . . .

West Bank & Gaza Strip, Palestine -- As the world enters day #3 of the Israeli military attacks against the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the U.S. media is replete with stories about how Israel is merely defending itself from "rocket attacks." Let's talk about that.

The so-called "rockets" are little more than Bottle Rockets used by American children or professional fireworks displays used to celebrate on the Fourth of July.

Most of the "rockets" being fired at Israel, land harmlessly in the desert. Rarely if ever is anyone injured by these rockets and NOT ONE person has been killed in Israel by these rockets in years!

Yet within the past 3 days, the Israeli military has seen fit to kill over 700 unarmed men, women and children inside the West Bank and Gaza strip. Think about that for a moment. No dead Israelis has prompted 700 dead Palestinians.

Let's move on to yet another item that the U.S. Media is repeating over and over and over: The Palestinians freely elected the Hamas Party into power and, according to Israel, "Hamas is a terrorist organization."

In fact, many dimwitted Americans swallow this line of reasoning hook, line and sinker, then repeat it as though it makes any sense. Let's consider this argument for a moment.

Yes, the people of Palestine freely elected the Hamas Party into power. That is their right. If my fellow Americans think that bombing people over who they elect is a valid thing, then let me know.

You see, I think the Democrat Party here in the United States is a terrorist organization. If bombing people based upon who they freely elect is a valid thing to do, does that mean I can start bombing Democrats?

Ahhhhhh, now you see how the argument against Hamas falls flat on its face!

One thing that is absolutely NOT being reported anywhere in the U.S. Media is WHY the rockets are being fired into Israel. Do you know why they're being fired? I do:

For over a year, Israel has sealed the borders of the West Bank and Gaza strip, not allowing anyone to work, earn money or - here's the real problem - get food deliveries IN.

The 1.4 million people inside Gaza are literally being starved to death by Israel.

The only way food has gotten in is through smuggling and not nearly enough can be smuggled in.

Let me ask you something: If someone was intentionally starving YOU to death, would you try to hurt them?

That's what is really taking place over in the cesspool known as Israel. Yet the U.S. Media isn't bothering to tell the American people about this. If the American people knew that Israel was intentionally starving over 1.4 million people to death, it would change the way the American people react, which would put pressure on the American government, which would then put pressure on Israel.

Here's the worst part: Even though the American people have been intentionally kept in the dark by the media, the U.S. government knows these facts and still does not intervene.

The American government knows that Israel has not allowed Palestinians to go to work for over a year. The American government knows that Israel has not allowed food shipments into Gaza or the West Bank for over a year. The American government knows that Palestinians have been starving to death. This is genocide, taking place right in front of us!

The American government has not only stood-by and done nothing to stop this genocide, they have actually aided and abetted it by supplying Israel with the weapons used to perpetrate the genocide.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 03:20 pm
McGentrix wrote:
What would a proportional response be? Randomly lobbing small rockets and mortars into Gaza? Sending in a couple of cops and try to arrest the terrorists? I wonder how they would do that. Do the terrorists shooting rockets and mortars into Israel wear uniforms or something to differentiate themselves from the general populace?

Seriously, what would a proportional response look like from Israel?


What precipitated the latest round of rocket fire from the Gaza militants was Israel's killing of militants on the Gazan side of the security barrier. Israel is a world leader in non-lethal weapons technology, yet, it employs lethal force against suspect militants in full knowledge that the response from the militants would be rocket fire. Israel exploits this escalation of the use of deadly force as a pretext to wage a war, which ultimately is a disproportionate response to the activities of the militants which it killed which precipitated the escalation of deadly force, against a people it must oppress to perpetuate it's ethnocentric raison d'etre.

Quote:
They complain about not being able to import food, medical supplies, yarn, dinner ware etc, yet they are never short of missiles, rockets and mortars to fire into Israel.

Perhaps instead of smuggling in weapons, they smuggled in trade goods I would probably have a different opinion about the matter. But, until Hamas stops the stupid and useless penis waving, they deserve what they get.


Because of the blockade, the smuggling tunnels and the black market are the de facto base of the Gazan economy, which of course invariably involves the smuggling of weapons and arms.
Gaza Tunnels to Egypt for IPods, Viagra Foil Blockade (Update1)
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2008 05:23 pm
@Zippo,
Zippo wrote:

For over a year, Israel has sealed the borders of the West Bank and Gaza strip, not allowing anyone to work, earn money or - here's the real problem - get food deliveries IN.

The 1.4 million people inside Gaza are literally being starved to death by Israel.

The only way food has gotten in is through smuggling and not nearly enough can be smuggled in.

The American government knows that Israel has not allowed Palestinians to go to work for over a year. The American government knows that Israel has not allowed food shipments into Gaza or the West Bank for over a year. The American government knows that Palestinians have been starving to death. This is genocide, taking place right in front of us!



Considering the Hamas government does not recognize Israel's right to exist, then why would Israel allow themselves to be a conduit for supplies? Notice how Egypt, a fellow Muslim nation, is adjacent to Gaza. Would they not be the appropriate conduit for supplies?

When someone does not recognize my existence, I tend to ignore them also. Makes sense to me. Oh, I get it. Jews are supposed to follow a more ethical moral code, being Jews and all. Perhaps, Israel has just decided to not be suckers at this point.

If Israel does not exist in the mind of Hamas, perhaps Hamas should decide whose air force has been bombing Gaza; it cannot be Israel; Israel does not exist according to Hamas, I thought.
 

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