@BillRM,
Quote:To me it is clear child abuse to raise children in such a situation and if all else fail the state should removed the children.
Spending like there is no tomorrow, leaving the debt for our kids, and not keeping the infrastructure of the nation in good order so that the kids will have a functioning nation in which to build their lives is clearly child abuse too under that definition. So is providing a crappy education. So is removing almost all rights from the teen years. So is making demands upon the kids that the adults are not willing to follow ourselves, such as no bullying, no lying, no sex, save the earth, be kind to others..... Are you planning to remove all kids from America?
I get a bit tired of this hyper vigilances to keep kids away from conflict in the home, to the point that we are willing to break up families, considering all the **** that all kids need to live with today and what more is to come. It is not like we have any great options other than family either, the state does not exactly do a bang-up job of raising these kids once they are removed.
I am not opposed to removing kids who are not being looked after, who are being hit, who are being sexually abuse, but to remove kids because we dont like the atmospherics in the home is usually counter productive, expensive, and not justified.