You can go back in time and prevent a great catastrophe. Which one would you prevent?

After wiping out over 99% of all life
during a 10,000,000 year drought (inter alia)
between the Permian and the Triassic Periods,
it paved the way for evolution of the dinosaurs,
who then prevailed for about 140,000,000 years.

I have not seen them.
I don' t know what kind of work she does.





David

I believe history is made by individuals, but mostly by inter-twining social, cultural and economic forces.

Back to my points:
-There was Mussolini before Hitler.
Italy, Germany and Japan were all nations that arrived relatively late (in comparison to England, France and the US) to industrial capitalism. Italy and Germany also arrived late to national unity. The sole forces of the market were insufficient to make them competitive in a world scale, so they needed a strong State... but not a socialist State, like it happened in Russia, Fascism was a movement to organize the social forces around an authoritarian State, with both centralized capitalism and expansionism, which all three countries needed for their national purposes. It also meant crushing the left-wing organizations: this was done through thug party groups in Italy and Germany and through the army in Japan.
Had Hitler not been born, some other extreme right movement would have grown in Germany (in 1919, it almost became a Socialist republic, with the uprisings in Kiel, led by Karl Liebnecht and Rosa Luxembourg), would have been financed by industrialists such as the Krupps, would have risen to power, repudiated the Versailles Treaty, and make expansionist moves. It would most probably also be anti-semite, because that was a shrewd way of both distracting the populace anger and breaking the spine of the workers' movement.

-The US had to get into WWII
At one moment of that conflict, Britain alone was defending the world's democracies against Fascism. On the Eastern front, Stalin had moved most of the capital goods factory inland (out of Ukraine and Belarus), because he was expecting the Germans to repudiate the Ribbentrop-Molotov treaty. Had Britain fallen, the battle would have been between two branches of authoritarianism, and there would have been little space for the US to maneuvre, wanting both to sustain the capitalist system and the basic freedoms.
During those years, the American right wing was promoting neutrality... which meant promoting a Nazi victory in Europe; while the progressives were for joining the war. Pearl Harbor was a perfect pretext. Had there not been such a bombing, some other event would have moved the US into war.
Mankind won with the victory of the democracies.

On slavery
-Just one question. How much of the US industrial revolution was financed -via North/South trade- by 600 billion hours of unpaid work? (or 300 billion, if we suppose that the maintenance cost of one field hand were probably half the value of the revenue the master received from the slave's labor).

... And on Christianism
-Christianity was at first the slaves' religion, it served a social and even organizational and rebellious purpose. Most of its attractive things come from that origin.
Things changed when the primitive church-movement transformed into the church of power-institution. So maybe the "catastrophe" was one of the first councils, perhaps in Nicaea, 325 AD, when Chistianity and temporal power melt.

I was just thinking - maybe I would reverse the ice age. I would have loved to see dinosaurs in real life. Now that would be cool.

Thay were not harmed by ice.
Thay were harmed by an asteroid that fell down and went "thump".

The planet is more than the 6000 or so years of age they used to get from biblical chronologies but, in all likelihood, it isn't 140,000,000 years old.

U can buy the DVDs from JURASSIC FIGHT CLUB.
Thay r due out next month.
I 'm getting those.

AGREED.
I did not mean to imply
that the Earth was 140,000,000 years old.
The rock record shows it to be around 4.6 billion years old
and the Moon around 4,000,000,000, resulting from a celestial
collision of the Earth with the planet Morpheus.
That musta been loud.

Interestingly, microbial life has been found going back
to when Earth was only about a billion years old,
i.e., about 3, 600, 000, 000 years ago.

The next 3,000,000,000 years shoud be interesting.





David

Hell they dated rockes over three billion years of age on earth and older ones from the moon.

Give me a break.

Two different theories - in any case, if you must be specific, I would go back and restore whatever the h*ll happened to the dinosaurs so that they would still be around and I could see them face to face.

I thought this was supposed to be fun.

I 'm sorry.
I did not mean to make it not fun.


The crocodiles are older
than some of the dinosaurs; u can still look at them.

Have u noticed that reptiles look a lot alike ?
Thay seem to share the same attitude.
Looking at a modern living reptile,
I can see big resemblances of the dinosaurs.

If u think of a crocodile having 2 legs instead of 4,
he 'd look a lot like a T-Rex.





David

Yeah just shorter.

O, yeah.
I FORGOT that u r the person
who likes it SHORTER.

All such dating schemes are problematical for several reasons and the most major such reason is one you never see in print, which is the fact that planets supposedly form up from swirling masses of solar materials. That's right, the heavy metals would would all end up in or near the planet's core.

That says that any uranium, lead, gold, thorium, or anything else you could try to date with any sort of a decay dating scheme probably arrived via some sort of an impact event long after the planet's surface had solidified, i.e. that the date you got from it would apply to the heavy metal but not to the planet.

Another obvious problem is that the people who tell us that the Earth is 4B years old are the same people who tell us that dinosaurs died out 65M years ago, and we now know THAT to be untrue:

Without referring to birds,
is it your position that dinosaurs have survived ?

Without referring to birds, they're all gone. Some of what I read indicates that most if not all of the information which went into a tyrannosaur is still present in chickens and it might turn out to be possible to reconstruct a trex from chicken material, but why would you want to?

Midrashim mentions several kinds of dinosaurs which were still walking around at a time just prior to the flood, but in very small numbers, leftovers and viewed as oddities at the time. Amerind oral traditions mention the stegosaur ("water panther") and that column stone from Angkor Wat indicates that a few of those might have actually survived into AD times.

I would GUESS that the main age of dinosaurs would have been a few thousand to a few tens of thousands of years back, but definitely not tens of millions. You've got blood vessels and blood now being found in trex remains and there is no way even in theory for that stuff to hang around for even one million years.

B fun

You know in a sad way I know it is pointless but what the hell first 99.99 percent of the heavy metals on in the core of the earth and the small amount that is on or near the surface his there due to volcano actions ETC.

Israel, India, Cambodia, Sudan.

you? No, Obama does not count. That's elections in a democratic system, not a 'catastrophe', no matter how you personally feel.

WHAT r u doing to them ?




I am fighting to undo victim disarmament a/k/a: "gun control."