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McCain shows his true character and leadership

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 09:57 pm
@sozobe,
Good catch...
nimh
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 10:05 pm
@barackman28,
barackman28 wrote:

Yes, nimh, there is a segregation of discussion. I have been told that my posts were not "subtle". Very well. I was unaware that there was a subtle/non subtle guideline.

You say that"I don't think that posting our own views ... count as intolerant just because they are critical of McCain count as intolerant'

Cyclopitchorn might say that you should be more "subtle".

But then, I am afraid that Cyclopitchorn is in an ivory tower and has never been in the streets with the people. There is no"subtlety" there and views are posted by the people in no uncertain terms.


I dont think the problem is that you're "non subtle". I think you're a pretender. A conservative pretending to be a "Barack man". I've got a specific conservative in mind, even.
barackman28
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 10:37 pm
@nimh,
Really? And, you--what are you? A European pretending to know about the USA? You know nothing about black people. When you learn something about their true state,let us know.

Let's try a quiz--

If I am telling untruths, please, expose my lies.

l. The majority of prisoners in American prisons are blacks and Hispanics

2. The large majority of schools in America which teach black and Hispanic children are failing schools because they are not supported at proper levels by infusions of tax monies. Blacks and Hispanics donot get the kind of education they need to succeed in American Society.

3. Republicans do not accept black people( only UncleToms). Anyone noting the paucity of black faces at the Republican convention as opposed to the number at the Democratic Convention has seen this.

4. The Republican TV ads are clearly racist. You may not be able to see it but black people can. We know the code words--welfare; inexperience, etc.

Now, if you can show errors in the above statements,doso. Otherwise, I will continue to post for Senator Obama and against racism!
barackman28
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 10:41 pm
@nimh,
Here's some sublety for you , nimh.

"Forcibly uprooted from his home, cut off from his past, robbed of language and culture, the black man in America has been methodically dehumanized and exploited by our society"

source--"Black Rage" by William H. Greir and Price M.Cobbs

Now, Racists won't agree with that statement. Do you, nimh?
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 10:52 pm
@barackman28,
barackman28 wrote:

Really? And, you--what are you? A European pretending to know about the USA?

Ha! Yep, now I'm sure I know who you are Razz

But something has changed since the days you posted here as Italgato / Bocdaver / Mporter / Septembri / Chiczaira / Mortkat / Bernard R / Renatus5, and since the previous times you tried on liberal personas as MarionT / Madison32 ...

We have an "ignore" button now!

So - bye ... Cool
barackman28
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 11:05 pm
@nimh,
I willbe honoredby your ignore button but I intend to keep posting the truth.

I notice you did not have either the wit or the ability to try to show that what I am posting is incorrect. Is that why you are trying to denigrate me? Ichallenged Sozobe by telling her that I would be happy to send a verification to her of my work on the south side with Senator Obama's group. Do you have enough integrity to work with something like that or are you just a gossip?
Miller
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 11:45 pm
@barackman28,
barackman28 wrote:

...Cyclopitchorn is in an ivory tower and has never been in the streets with the people.


What streets and what people?

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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 11:48 pm
@barackman28,
barackman28 wrote:

McCain and his crew have probably come to the conclusion that Senator Obama's intelligence, his charisma and his youth will show that McCain is just a clueless old man.




Obama-the-phoney? Can you imagine Obama locked up in a concentration camp for 5 years without his barber working on his hair each and every day?

Obama is a programed robot...turn the screw and watch him hop .
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 11:50 pm
@squinney,
squinney wrote:

McCain already won the debate???

WTF? I was gonna a bottle of wine and some cheese and enjoy the damn thing. I can't now. I mean, who want to watch a game when the winner is already known?

Dang. It was gonna be a nice Cabernet, too.

Sounds like you-all has enough to drink, already...
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 11:55 pm
@barackman28,
barackman28 wrote:

...my work on the south side with Senator Obama's group.


Do tell, Son! Now what was your WORK on the SouthSide? Sounds to me like you took one of those visitor buses out to Roseland/West Pullman, etc to see how the other HALF lives.

Or was that you with Obama out at Altgeld Gardens helping the old folks with their grocery bags?

Both you and Obama are at least 30 years too LATE as far as HELPING anyone or anything on the SouthSide of Chicago...
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 12:37 pm
@Miller,
The New York Times
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September 28, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist

McCain’s Suspension Bridge to Nowhere
By FRANK RICH

WHAT we learned last week is that the man who always puts his “country first” will take the country down with him if that’s what it takes to get to the White House.

For all the focus on Friday night’s deadlocked debate, it still can’t obscure what preceded it: When John McCain gratuitously parachuted into Washington on Thursday, he didn’t care if his grandstanding might precipitate an even deeper economic collapse. All he cared about was whether he might save his campaign. George Bush put more deliberation into invading Iraq than McCain did into his own reckless invasion of the delicate Congressional negotiations on the bailout plan.

By the time he arrived, there already was a bipartisan agreement in principle. It collapsed hours later at the meeting convened by the president in the Cabinet Room. Rather than help try to resuscitate Wall Street’s bloodied bulls, McCain was determined to be the bull in Washington’s legislative china shop, running around town and playing both sides of his divided party against Congress’s middle. Once others eventually forged a path out of the wreckage, he’d inflate, if not outright fictionalize, his own role in cleaning up the mess his mischief helped make. Or so he hoped, until his ignominious retreat.

The question is why would a man who forever advertises his own honor toy so selfishly with our national interest at a time of crisis. I’ll leave any physiological explanations to gerontologists " if they can get hold of his complete medical records " and any armchair psychoanalysis to the sundry McCain press acolytes who have sorrowfully tried to rationalize his erratic behavior this year. The other answers, all putting politics first, can be found by examining the 24 hours before he decided to “suspend” campaigning and swoop down on the Capitol to save America from the Sunnis or the Shia, or whoever perpetrated all those credit-default swaps.

To put these 24 hours in context, you must remember that McCain not only knows little about the economy but that he has not previously expressed any urgency about its meltdown. It was on Sept. 15 " the day after his former idol Alan Greenspan pronounced the current crisis a “once-in-a-century” catastrophe " that McCain reaffirmed for the umpteenth time that the “fundamentals of our economy are strong.” As recently as Tuesday he had not yet even read the two-and-a-half-page bailout proposal first circulated by Hank Paulson last weekend. “I have not had a chance to see it in writing,” he explained. (Maybe he was waiting for it to arrive by Western Union instead of PDF.)

Then came Black Wednesday " not for the stock market, which was holding steady in anticipation of Washington action, but for McCain. As the widely accepted narrative has it, his come-to-Jesus moment arrived that morning, when he awoke to discover that Barack Obama had surged ahead by nine percentage points in the Washington Post/ABC News poll. The McCain campaign hastily suited up its own pollster to belittle that finding " only to be drowned out by a fusillade of new polls from Fox News, Marist and CNN/Time, each with numbers closer to Post/ABC than not. Obama was rising most everywhere except the moose strongholds of Alaska and Montana.

That was not the only bad news raining down on McCain. His camp knew what Katie Couric had in the can from her interview with Sarah Palin. The first excerpt was to be broadcast by CBS that night, and it had to be upstaged fast.

But even that wasn’t the top political threat McCain faced last week. Bigger still was the mounting evidence of the seamless synergy between his campaign and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage monsters at the heart of the housing bust that set off our current calamity. Most of all, it was the fast-moving events on that front that precipitated his panic to roll out his diversionary, over-the-top theatrics on Wednesday.

What we were learning " through The New York Times, Newsweek and Roll Call " was ugly. Davis Manafort, the lobbying firm owned by McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, had received $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac from late 2005 until last month. This was in addition to the $30,000 a month that Davis was paid from 2000 to 2005 by the so-called Homeownership Alliance, an advocacy organization that he headed and that was financed by Freddie and Fannie to fight regulation.

The McCain campaign tried to pre-emptively deflect such revelations by reviving the old Rove trick of accusing your opponent of your own biggest failings. It ran attack ads about Obama’s own links to the mortgage giants. But neither of the former Freddie-Fannie executives vilified in those ads, Franklin Raines and James Johnson, had worked at those companies lately or are currently associated with the Obama campaign. (Raines never worked for the campaign at all.) By contrast, Davis is the tip of the Freddie-Fannie-McCain iceberg. McCain’s senior adviser, his campaign’s vice chairman, his Congressional liaison and the reported head of his White House transition team all either made fortunes from recent Freddie-Fannie lobbying or were players in firms that did.

By Wednesday, the McCain campaign’s latest tactic for countering this news " attacking the press, especially The Times " was paying diminishing returns. Davis abruptly canceled his scheduled appearance that day at a weekly reporters’ lunch sponsored by The Christian Science Monitor, escaping any further questions by pleading that he had to hit the campaign trail. (He turned up at the “21” Club in New York that night, wining and dining McCain fund-raisers.)

It’s then that Angry Old Ironsides McCain suddenly emerged to bark that our financial distress was “the greatest crisis we’ve faced, clearly, since World War II” " even greater than the Russia-Georgia conflict, which in August he had called the “first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the cold war.” Campaigns, debates and no doubt Bristol Palin’s nuptials had to be suspended immediately so he could ride to the rescue, with Joe Lieberman as his Robin.

Yet even as he huffed and puffed about being a “leader,” McCain took no action and felt no urgency. As his Congressional colleagues worked tirelessly in Washington, he malingered in New York. He checked out the suffering on Main Street (or perhaps High Street) by conferring with Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, the Hillary-turned-McCain supporter best known for her fabulous London digs and her diatribes against Obama’s elitism. McCain also found time to have a well-publicized chat with one of those celebrities he so disdains, Bono, and to give a self-promoting public speech at the Clinton Global Initiative.

There was no suspension of his campaign. His surrogates and ads remained on television. Huffington Post bloggers, working the phones, couldn’t find a single McCain campaign office that had gone on hiatus. This “suspension” ruse was an exact replay of McCain’s self-righteous “suspension” of the G.O.P. convention as Hurricane Gustav arrived on Labor Day. “We will put aside our political hats and put on our American hats,” he declared then, solemnly pledging that conventioneers would help those in need. But as anyone in the Twin Cities could see, the assembled put on their party hats instead, piling into the lobbyists’ bacchanals earlier than scheduled, albeit on the down-low.

Much of the press paid lip service to McCain’s new “suspension” as it had to its prototype. In truth, the only campaign activity McCain did drop was a Wednesday evening taping with David Letterman. Don’t mess with Dave. Picking up where the “The View” left off in speaking truth to power, the uncharacteristically furious host hammered the absent McCain on and off for 40 minutes, repeatedly observing that the cancellation “didn’t smell right.”

In a journalistic coup de grâce worthy of “60 Minutes,” Letterman went on to unmask his no-show guest as a liar. McCain had phoned himself that afternoon to say he was “getting on a plane immediately” to deal with the grave situation in Washington, Letterman told the audience. Then he showed video of McCain being touched up by a makeup artist while awaiting an interview by Couric that same evening at another CBS studio in New York.

It’s not hard to guess why McCain had blown off Letterman for Couric at the last minute. The McCain campaign’s high anxiety about the disastrous Couric-Palin sit-down was skyrocketing as advance excerpts flooded the Internet. By offering his own interview to Couric for the same night, McCain hoped (in vain) to dilute Palin’s primacy on the “CBS Evening News.”

Letterman’s most mordant laughs on Wednesday came when he riffed about McCain’s campaign “suspension”: “Do you suspend your campaign? No, because that makes me think maybe there will be other things down the road, like if he’s in the White House, he might just suspend being president. I mean, we’ve got a guy like that now!”

That’s no joke. Bush has so little credibility he can govern only through surrogates (Paulson is the new Petraeus). When he spoke about the economic crisis in prime time earlier that same night, he registered as no more than an irritating speed bump en route to “David Blaine: Dive of Death.”

It’s that utter power vacuum that gave McCain the opening to pull his potentially catastrophic display of economic “leadership” last week. He may be the first presidential candidate in our history to risk wrecking the country even before being voted into the Oval Office.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 12:52 pm
@firefly,
firefly, Excellent find. On top of all that, there's a new book out by Woodward that poo-poos McCain's claim the the "surge" was a success. Too bad Obama didn't have that information before the debate. Further proof that McCain has no real understanding of the Iraq war, and why the violence was reduced or that the cause of why the Iraqi government is still in shambles. Some powerful stuff for novels, but they're truths beyond belief. McCain's experience has taught him nothing.

McCain's attempt to throw kerosene at all the fires he has to fight at the same time will become overwhelming very soon!
Miller
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 12:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

McCain's experience has taught him nothing.



Shame on you, CI. You should know better.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 12:57 pm
@Miller,
Miller, Please tell me what he has learned, and how his current actions and rhetoric says any different?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 01:13 pm
@nimh,
I found it via Washington Monthly, so can't claim much credit.

Just found it a rather boggling statement in light of this thread and the whole "McCain MUST be there in person to make anything happen" idea.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 01:50 pm
For those of you who remembers what Palin has been saying about "helping the American People," take a good read on this article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080928/ap_on_el_pr/palin_ethics_2

Does her past actions speak louder than her words?
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 02:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
CI wrote: "McCain's attempt to throw kerosene at all the fires he has to fight at the same time will become overwhelming very soon!"

It is overwhelming, indeed. I can't understand why anyone would be clamoring to buy a ticket to sail on McCain's ship, the Titanic II. It's already in jeopardy, there's a fire blazing on deck, and the icebergs are looming in the background.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 02:17 pm
@Debra Law,
And the "ships" already on fire with "holes" down below.

Abandon ship is a bit late.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 06:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:

Fox News Sunday: John Kerry Scoffs At McCain’s Bailout Hero Routine

On the heels of the announcement that a deal has tentatively been struck to bail out Wall Street, John Kerry appeared on Fox News Sunday and put John McCain’s campaign-suspending stunt into perspective:

Barack Obama was in constant touch with Secretary Paulson almost every single day, sometimes several times a day for the last two weeks. Barack Obama was the first person to speak and lay out at that meeting at the White House for about seven or eight minutes the entire parameters of what we had resolved. John McCain, when offered the opportunity to speak, passed, didn’t speak until the very end, and when he spoke, did not offer a solution and did not say what he would support.

The fact is that on a Monday of about a week ago, John McCain said the fundamentals of our economy are strong. Within a few days, John McCain was suspending his campaign because of the greatest crisis since World War II. He suspended his campaign and it took him 22 hours to get from New York to Washington, a one-hour flight, had time to go do Katie Couric in an interview, had time to give a speech to the Clinton millennium, and when he got here, he wound up " I mean, he said he was going to interrupt his campaign to come down and save the negotiations. Most people believe what he did was interrupt the negotiations to come down and save his campaign.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/28/fox-news-sunday-john-kerry-scoffs-at-mccains-bailout-hero-routine/


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 06:31 pm
@JTT,
Conservatives still can't see the problem(S) with their choice, and since all the foolishness that has already been exposed, more of them will not change their minds. Some are die-hard conservatives - no matter what.
 

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