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McCain shows his true character and leadership

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 06:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
What's the difference between a die-hard conservative and a someone who is pathologically delusional. Not much at all.

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How unhinged was Newt Gingrich? He called McCain's campaign suspension gambit "the greatest single act of responsible leadership ever taken by a presidential candidate." Arianna Huffington
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 06:57 pm
@JTT,
It shows that McCain shoots from the hips without any knowledge of the consequences of his double-speak. That's happened so often with McCain, where's all the uproar?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 07:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Here's a little, CI, from someone who knows just how bad McCain would be. I know that and I don't have the background this guy does.

Quote:

Saturday, September 27, 2008
The Invisible Man

At what point might people look at John McCain and say, okay, we admit it, we blew it, the guy has no business being president? I'm deadly serious. It's not like he's trying to hide it. What I'm talking about is the fact that he's entirely about shooting from the hip. And, of late, lying. After a while, it gets really disturbing. Calmness under fire, careful deliberation? Since when? Sarah Palin? Suspending his campaign? "We are all Georgians?" F-bombs, calling his wife a c*nt?

...

John McCain, it seems, took it all deeply to heart. A party boy, a poor student, he showed a reckless abandon from the start. Had he not been the son and grandson of admirals his career might have ended before it started; but I'd guess it endeared him to his fellow fliers. The archetype of the archetype. Tough guy, ****-you sort of a guy.


http://sidschwab.blogspot.com/2008/09/invisible-man.html

JTT
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 07:36 pm
@JTT,
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On strategy and tactics

James Fallows

27 Sep 2008 02:47 pm

The least self-aware moment for John McCain in last night's debate came at the half-way point, when he said, "I'm afraid Senator Obama doesn't understand the difference between a tactic and a strategy."

In a sense McCain was sticking to his battle plan in saying this -- the plan being on-message hammering-home of the "Obama doesn't understand" theme. In another sense, he lost his way, since he immediately segued not into a discussion of strategic matters in Iraq and Afghanistan but into an anecdote. But that kind of literal parsing of his answer -- tactical analysis, you might call it -- really misses the point.

There has been no greater contrast between the Obama and McCain campaigns than the tactical-vs-strategic difference, with McCain demonstrating the primacy of short-term tactics and Obama sticking to a more coherent long-term strategy. And McCain's dismissive comment suggests that he still does not realize this.

Some examples are so familiar as to need no explanation: McCain choosing the ten-day tactical "bounce" from the surprise choice of Sarah Palin, in exchange for the enormous strategic risk in choosing an un-vetted and now obviously unqualified running mate. Or McCain rolling the dice with his threat to boycott the debate -- and then, once on stage, appearing to be only mildly interested in the financial-bailout deal that 72 hours earlier was the stated reason for overturning all agreements about the debates .

But the personas that the two men chose to present in the debate indicated the difference in a profound way. The truths of debates are these:
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 07:47 pm
@JTT,
McCain can't help it when his handlers are in desperation-mode, and that's what they told McCain to push; "Obama doesn't understand." This tactic and strategy failed miserably as the polls now show.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 08:01 pm
@McGentrix,
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On Thursday 9/25 McG wrote:

McCain feels he will be more useful to America in Washington D.C. meeting figuring out the hold up, weighing options and negotiating a deal. I don't know what Obama feels as no one seems to have a quote from him on beyond what I have posted.

Obama's supporters apparently feel Obama is a useless cog and should stay in Florida with his thumb up his ass while others actually try to resolve the problems.


It seems that things didn't quite turn out as you predicted, McG. I think that you owe Senator Obama an apology and, of course, feel free to give Senator McCain a severe tongue lashing for making a fool of himself and you.

Come on, McG, show a little of that much vaunted conservative value, personal responsibility.

Twenty two hours to get from New York to Washington for the "crisis of the century", which a few days before wasn't all that big a deal. Three days into the crisis and John still hadn't read the original 3 page bailout plan. I guess there was no one to explain it to the economics whiz kid.

You couldn't have picked a better tongue in cheek title for a thread, could you, McG? When and what will be your next thread? I can hardly wait.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 08:06 pm
@JTT,
It's even funnier when we consider McCain's temper, and how he'll speak to foreign dignitaries and top officials if they disagree with him. "Go f... yourself."

JTT
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 08:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Is that new movie, A Flash of Genius, due out Oct 3rd, about McCain's choice of Palin for vp or is it about McCain's heroic efforts to solve the Wall St problem?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 08:46 pm
@JTT,
That wouldn't be "flash" would it? More like a permanent defect.
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barackman28
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 09:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
No one "shoots from the hips". People do shoot from the hip( singular).
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 09:51 pm
@barackman28,
You didn't grow up when all those cowboy movies showed the good guys with two guns, did you?
barackman28
 
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Reply Sun 28 Sep, 2008 09:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
look it up! No one shoots from the hipS
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 11:24 pm
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McCain Confuses Me

So the bailout deal collapses and McCain is headed to ... Iowa?

I'm confused. I assumed the "country-first" move would be to suspend his campaign all over again and hunker down in Washington till we worked things out.

It wouldn't even be that hard. McCain can find more than half the votes we need among his home-state colleagues in the House, all of whom voted against the deal.

--Noam Scheiber
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 11:39 pm
@nimh,
nimh wrote:

Quote:
McCain Confuses Me

So the bailout deal collapses and McCain is headed to ... Iowa?

I'm confused. I assumed the "country-first" move would be to suspend his campaign all over again and hunker down in Washington till we worked things out.

It wouldn't even be that hard. McCain can find more than half the votes we need among his home-state colleagues in the House, all of whom voted against the deal.

--Noam Scheiber

Word.
Where is that "true character and leadership"?
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2008 02:27 am
@nimh,
Quote:
I'm confused. I assumed the "country-first" move would be to suspend his campaign all over again and hunker down in Washington till we worked things out.


He'll be in Washington D.C. pronto because that's his style. Here's what McCain said:

"I’ll never be a president who sits on the sidelines when this country faces a crisis,” McCain added. “ I’ll never do it. I know many of you have noticed it’s not my style to simply phone it in."

Of course, McCain says what he means, and means what he says.

Unless. . . . he doesn't mean what he says . . . and it's McCain's style to simply phone it in:

Quote:
A top aide to Senator John McCain said the Republican presidential candidate will not go to Capitol Hill Saturday afternoon, as negotiators meet to work out a deal on the financial bailout plan.

Senior adviser Mark Salter just told reporters outside McCain’s campaign headquarters in Arlington, VA that the Senator will instead continue to make calls to members of Congress.

Salter said he will not go because “he can effectively do what he needs to do by phone." "He’s calling members on both sides, talking to people in the administration, helping out as he can.’’ The campaign said it will release a list of people McCain spoke with later Saturday.


CNN LINK




barackman28
 
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Reply Tue 30 Sep, 2008 04:42 pm
@Debra Law,
This just shows the difference between McCain and Senator Obama. I was there when Senator Obama came into Washington Park to meet with his people when he was a Community Organizer. Senator Obama believed in face to face contact not only when he was a Community Organizer but when he was also a legislator in Springfield. His principles and his stamina led to almost daily meetings AMONG his constitutents--the black people of the South side of Chicago.

No phony phone contacts for Senator Obama!
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 08:54 pm
@McGentrix,
More of McCain's true character and leadership.


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October 6, 2008 10:07
Embarracuda
Posted by Joe Klein

I'm of two minds about how to deal with the McCain campaign's further descent into ugliness. Their strategy is simple: you throw crap against a wall and then giggle as the media try to analyze the putresence in a way that conveys a sense of balance: "Well, it is bull-pucky, but the splatter pattern is interesting..." which, of course, only serves to get your perverse message out. I really don't want to be a part of that. But...every so often, we journalists have a duty to remind readers just how dingy the McCain campaign, and its right-wing acolytes in the media (I'm looking at you, Sean Hannity) have become--especially in their efforts to divert public attention from the economic crisis we're facing. And so inept at it: other campaigns have decided that their only shot is going negative, but usually they don't announce it, as several McCain aides have in recent days--there's no way we can win on the economy, so we're going to go sludge-diving.

But since we are dealing with manure here, I'll put the rest of this post below the fold.

It is appropriate that the prime vessel for this assault is Sarah Palin, whose very presence on a national ticket is an insult to your intelligence. She now has "credibility," we are told, because she managed to read talking points off notecards in the debate last week with unwitting enthusiasm.

Over the weekend, she picked up on an article in The New York Times, which essentially says that Barack Obama and the former terrorist Bill Ayers have crossed paths in Chicago, served on a couple of charitable boards together, but aren't particularly close. To Palin--or her scriptwriters--this means that Obama has been "palling around" with terrorists. Now, I wish Ayers had done some serious jail time; he certainly needed to pay some penance for his youthful criminality--even if most people in Chicago, including the mayor, have decided that he has something of value to say about education. But I can also understand how Obama, who was a child when Ayers was cutting his idiot swath, would not quite understand the enormity of the professor's background. (I got to know Alger Hiss twenty years after the fact--he was a printing salesman then, a friend of my father's--and thought of him as a sweet old man, if a good deal more liberal than dad's other friends.)

In any case, this is rather rich coming from Palin, who is married to a man who belonged to a political party--the Alaskan Independence Party--that wanted to secede from the union. (I should add here that the Times may have been overreacting to the McCain campaign's attack on its fairness here: the Ayers story was a nothingburger, but it was placed prominently in the top left hand corner of page one--a position that would seem to indicate that it contained important news, which it didn't.)

Then we have the ever-reliable Bill Kristol, in today's New York Times, advising Palin to bring up the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Palin, of course, believes that's a darn good idea:

“To tell you the truth, Bill, I don’t know why that association isn’t discussed more, because those were appalling things that that pastor had said about our great country, and to have sat in the pews for 20 years and listened to that " with, I don’t know, a sense of condoning it, I guess, because he didn’t get up and leave " to me, that does say something about character. But, you know, I guess that would be a John McCain call on whether he wants to bring that up.”

So then, I'd guess, it would be appropriate to bring up some of the nuttiness that passes for godliness in Palin's religious life. Leave aside the fact that The Embarracuda allowed herself to participate in a cermony that protected her from witchcraft, how about her presence--she didn't "get up and leave"-- at a sermon by the founder of Jews for Jesus, who argued that the Palestinian terrorist acts against Israel were God's "judgment" on the Jews because they hadn't accepted Jesus.

Speaking of Jews, the ever-execrable Sean Hannity has been having intercourse with a known Jew-hater named Andy Martin, who now wants to expose Barack Obama as a Muslim. According to the Washington Times:

In 1986, when Mr. Martin ran as a Democrat for Connecticut's 3rd Congressional District seat under the name "Anthony R. Martin-Trigona," his campaign committee filed papers saying its purpose was to "exterminate Jew power in America and impeach U.S. District Court of Appeals judges in New York City."

Calling all Podhoretzs! Where's the outrage? I mean, don't the hateful doings at Palin's church and Hannity's perfidy deserve a lengthy exegesis from Pete Wehner or Jennifer Rubin or one of the other empretzled ideologues over at Commentary?

As I said, I'm of two minds about this. I don't want to give currency to this sewage, so it will remain below the fold. And I'll try to devote the lion's share of my time to the issues--the war, the economic crisis, the fraying health insurance system, the environment--that should define this campaign. But what a desperate empty embarrassment the McCain campaign has become.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 10:37 pm
@JTT,
It goes to show the real story state of our country; a persona like Palin can attract political scientists and media people as if she's the best thing that happened to our politics.

All this, while our country's economy is in destruction mode. Go figure.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 10:48 pm
McCain shows his true character and leadership.

Rather than focus on the economy meltdown or other vital issues, McCain is "turning the page" to concentrate on smearing his opponent.

Quote:
Obama Warns Against McCain 'Smear' Tactics
By Perry Bacon Jr.

ASHEVILLE, N.C. -- Sen. Barack Obama said today that, while his rival John McCain seeks to "distract you with smears" and "Swift Boat-style attacks" in the last weeks of the campaign, he would keep focused on economic issues and what he described as McCain's shortcomings.

"Senator McCain's campaign has announced that they plan to turn the page on the discussion about our economy and spend the final weeks of this campaign launching Swift Boat-style attacks on me," Obama told a crowd of thousands on the football field of Asheville High School. "Senator McCain and his operatives are gambling that he can distract you with smears rather than talk to you about substance. ... I want you to know that I'm going to keep on talking about issues that matter."

The Democratic nominee was reacting to reports of McCain's strategy telegraphed by his aides, as well as remarks Friday from Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

The Republican vice presidential nominee accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists," a reference to his association with William Ayers, who has confessed to domestic bombings as a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground. Ayers and Obama are not close and have not spoken in recent years, but they once served together on a nonprofit board that distributed educational grants in Chicago. Ayers hosted a gathering for Obama when he was running for the state Senate in Illinois a decade ago.

Obama did not refer specifically to Palin's remarks, nor did he detail exactly what the "smears" against him by McCain would be.

Tucker Bounds, a McCain spokesman, defended his campaign's strategy.

"Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist or had a convicted felon help them buy their house, because those aren't smears. Those are true facts about Barack Obama," Bounds said, alluding to Ayers and Antoin Rezko, a real estate developer who was once a close ally of Obama and who bought property from the Illinois senator. Rezko was convicted earlier this year of several counts of bribery and other charges.


LINK: Washington Post



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 12:24 pm
@Debra Law,
Last paragraph from Debra's post:

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"Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended an unrepentant terrorist or had a convicted felon help them buy their house, because those aren't smears. Those are true facts about Barack Obama," Bounds said, alluding to Ayers and Antoin Rezko, a real estate developer who was once a close ally of Obama and who bought property from the Illinois senator. Rezko was convicted earlier this year of several counts of bribery and other charges.


No, the real question is; where's the christian teaching on forgiveness? The second question is, what did Obama do wrong working with Ayers to help their community? Conservatives talk a good piece about being christians, but they sure don't act that way. Isn't it only god who's supposed to judge?

Again, what did Obama do wrong in working with Ayers?
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