Diest TKO wrote:
However, to say that cyclo can be ignored because leftists can be ignored is formal fallacy. To each argument their merits please.
Cyclo isn't ignoring the "rightists" here. He not too insecure to address counter points.
Thanks for the defenses TKO.
What Gato (welcome back, moron) and Silk and McG don't seem to realize is that I was a staunch Republican for most of my life. Voted for Bush in 2k. Explained to my friends that he wasn't a ****-up, like they all said he was. It wasn't until the day I heard Bush say,
I'm truly not worried about catching Osama Bin Laden
6 months after 9/11, that I knew that whatever the Republican party had turned into, it had left me behind.
I re-examined my life and found that many of the right-wing positions that I and others I knew had held, were based in greed and a lack of empathy towards the situation of others. I have always been blessed with intelligence and the ability to analyze situations quickly. This has given me certain advantages in life that others don't necessarily enjoy. I had used those advantages to elevate my status, in my own mind. That was wrong. I think this is the foundation of Republican philosophy: that people aren't equal, not really, and that the cream will rise to the top and hell with the rest, for at the end of the day, it's the 'special' people, the rich/smart/white ones that matter.
I have consistently maintained that the Dem party garners my support by being only somewhat less corrupt than the Republican party. And the events of the last decade or so have born this out, completely. It's not that Dems are saints, or that Liberal positions are inherently superior to Conservative ones; it's the real-world actions, the types of people who run the parties, and the decisions they make, which solidified my world-view.
There are a lot of Republicans like my family members: socially liberal, fiscally conservative. I can understand that and even applaud it. Too bad the Republican party is ran by the other bunch nowdays: socially conservative, fiscally liberal. Also known as, the worst type of person found on the face of the earth, ideologues who are more then willing to tell others how to live their lives - on topics which affect NOBODY but the people in question - and willing to run up gigantic and ruinous deficits and debts while doing it. I despise the modern Republican party, for corruption has leached it's way into the bones of the beast. Bush is not the cause of this, he is a symptom
of this. Many modern Republicans think corruption and abuse of power is appropriate, that loyalty tests are 'good policy,' that intellectualism - intelligence and the drive to study on issues - are a 'bad thing.'
I will never countenance a party who believes that there are simply answers to the complex questions of life. We've had eight years of 'simple answers' from a simple guy, and it's been a complete failure. No more.
Everyone knows that the strongest voices in a party comes from those who have converted from the other side. I know the face of Republicanism, I know the things that are said behind closed doors, because I lived it. It isn't a pretty picture.