Let pupils abandon spelling rules, says academic

@Francis,

Francis wrote:

David wrote:
Francis wrote:
I use my feelings with a discernment unknown to you, David.

Francis demonstrates his mindreading skills of renown.

How you possibly can connect these premises, is beyond the comprehension skills of a sane human being..

Did u consult one ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

Yes, actually more than one, and all them confirmed.

One of them just added, with a rictus : unreasonable.

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@Francis,

Francis wrote:

Yes, actually more than one, and all them confirmed.

One of them just added, with a rictus : unreasonable.

Were thay French ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

Well, one can see where you are coming to..

Two of them were French and one American..

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OSD wrote:

and yet he prospered, flourished and throve in his career

I understand the past tense on thrive to be not throve nor thriven, but thrived.

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@Francis,

Francis wrote:

Quote:

Well, one can see where you are coming to..

That is poor grammar.
It shoud be coming from
or going to.

Francis wrote:

Quote:

Two of them were French and one American..

Will u be good enuf to ask the American
to tell the Frenchmen that we will begin to take their opinions seriously
when thay have repaid the money that France borrowed from us
to defend itself during the First World War?

Do u consider it worthy of note
that when u asked us to let u borrow the money,
u did not reveal that it 'd take u almost 100 years to pay it back ?

David

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

OSD wrote:
and yet he prospered, flourished and throve in his career

I understand the past tense on thrive to be not throve nor thriven, but thrived.

I don 't accept that.

David

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@McTag,

thrive
"verb (used without object), thrived or throve, thrived or thriven
1. to prosper; be fortunate or successful.
2. to grow or develop vigorously; flourish:
The children thrived in the country.

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Origin:
1150"1200; M.E. thriven < ON thrīfast to thrive, reflexive of thrīfa to grasp

Related forms:

thriver, noun
thriv⋅ing⋅ly, adverb

Synonyms:
1. advance. See succeed.

Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.
Cite This Source |Link To throve
thrive (thrīv)
intr.v. thrived or throve (thrōv), thrived or thriven (thrĭv'ən), thriv·ing, thrives

To make steady progress; prosper.
To grow vigorously;
flourish: "the wild deer that throve here" (Tom Clancy).

[Middle English thriven, from Old Norse thrīfask, reflexive of thrīfa, to seize.]
thriv'er n.

throve (thrōv)
v. A past tense of thrive.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

Francis wrote: Well, one can see where you are coming to..

Quote:

That is poor grammar. It shoud be coming from or going to.

You don't know what grammar is, OmSig. What Francis wrote is perfectly grammatical. It's just not a natural collocation.

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David wrote:

Will u be good enuf to ask the American to tell the Frenchmen that we will begin to take their opinions seriously when thay have repaid the money that France borrowed from us to defend itself during the First World War?

You have to be really short of arguments as to feel compelled to resort to this lame sidetracks!

If ever you were a lawyer, you must have been an unobtrusive one..

David wrote:

That is poor grammar. It shoud be coming from or going to.

I as said elsewhere, I'm only a dilettante in English language, but I'm able to identify, acknowledge, own and embrace my shortcomings and limitations.

Which, it seems, is not the case with yourself...

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@Francis,

David wrote:

Will u be good enuf to ask the American to tell the Frenchmen that we will begin
to take their opinions seriously when thay have repaid the money that France borrowed from us
to defend itself during the First World War?

Francis wrote:

Quote:

You have to be really short of arguments as to feel compelled to resort to this lame sidetracks!

Give us back our money.
In France, is there a difference between a gift and a loan?

Francis wrote:

Quote:

If ever you were a lawyer, you must have been an unobtrusive one..

I was a lot more aggressive in trial practice than most counsel.

David wrote:

That is poor grammar. It shoud be coming from or going to.

Francis wrote:

Quote:

I as said elsewhere, I'm only a dilettante in English language,
but I'm able to identify, acknowledge, own and embrace my shortcomings and limitations.

If I had known that u had said that, then
I 'd not have made that remark which now, I regret.
Your posted English is sufficiently good that I did not know
that u r a foreigner. Not knowing, I thought that possibly
u might be an American ex-patriot. I take it that u r a native Frenchman ?

Francis wrote:

Quote:

Which, it seems, is not the case with yourself...

I am pleased to be confronted with my shortcomings,
for I can learn from them and improve myself.
When error has been falsely attributed to me,
I have not been so unobtrusive as to fail to point that out,
unless I feel sufficiently lazy to ignore the offense and to disregard the offender.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

David, it's patent that neither you nor I am going to change my mind. (how awckward a phrase!)

As a consequence, I'll let this thread revert to its original purpose.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

I as said elsewhere, I'm only a dilettante in English language, but I'm able to identify, acknowledge, own and embrace my shortcomings and limitations.

That's not a sentence constructed by someone who is only a dilettante in English (speaking or writing). It's conveys an advanced understanding of sentence structure and vocabulary.

Quote:

If I had known that u had said that, then
I 'd not have made that remark which now, I regret.
Your posted English is sufficiently good that I did not know
that u r a foreigner. Not knowing, I thought that possibly
u might be an American ex-patriot. I take it that u r a native Frenchman ?

I knew Francis is a native Frenchman, but I think he's often hard on himself as regards his own thoughts about his facility with English. I think he's better than he thinks he is - as proved by the fact that you thought he was an American ex-pat.

I wonder if he takes that as a compliment or not Laughing

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That reminds me of Vladimir Putin.
During an interview with Morley Safer a few years ago,
Putin spoke delicately perfect English,
as good as any American and better than most.
I was very taken aback.
Then I remembered that he had been a colonel in the KGB.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

When I think about the people participating on this forum who are European and for whom presumably, English is a second language, it's speaks very highly that they are so capable in terms of their ability to write in English that I often forget that English is indeed their second language.
Walter and Calamity Jane are German, Nimh is Dutch, Dag is from Slovakia, Francis is French...what a wonderful ability- to be bilingual (to any extent really) - and then to such an extent that even a native English speaker can't discern that someone else isn't.

David - I just noticed that your lines don't extend all the way across the page and mine do. Why do you put line breaks in the middle of your sentences?
I'm curious.

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@aidan,

aidan wrote:

When I think about the people participating on this forum who are European and for whom presumably, English is a second language, it's speaks very highly that they are so capable in terms of their ability to write in English that I often forget that English is indeed their second language.
Walter and Calamity Jane are German, Nimh is Dutch, Dag is from Slovakia, Francis is French...what a wonderful ability- to be bilingual (to any extent really) - and then to such an extent that even a native English speaker can't discern that someone else isn't.

David - I just noticed that your lines don't extend all the way across the page and mine do. Why do you put line breaks in the middle of your sentences?
I'm curious.

It can be a mini-version of the concept of paragrafing
on the basis of topic, and a subtle way of slightly emfasizing
the word at the end of the line, which may be a little more conspicuous.

Its not necessarily something that I 'd do in the real world,
certainly not when I was on-the-job, but here I have unlimited freedom.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

I am pleased to be confronted with my shortcomings,
for I can learn from them and improve myself.

Is this an outright lie or a wee prevarication, OmSig?

Quote:

If I had known that u had said that,

Is this an outright lie or are you really that thick, OmSig?

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@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

It can be a mini-version of the concept of paragrafing
on the basis of topic, and a subtle way of slightly emfasizing
the word at the end of the line, which may be a little more conspicuous.

Its not necessarily something that I 'd do in the real world,
certainly not when I was on-the-job, but here I have unlimited freedom

sort of like writing poetry then...

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