OK, I admit it. Sarah Palin is a great pick!

@OmSigDAVID,

Cicerone Imposter wrote:

What does that say about McCain's judgement and experience?
Is that really who Americans want as our president?

If I remember my American history correctly (and it's a shame Setanta isn't here to correct me), then FDR didn't talk much more with Harry Truman before getting him onto his ticket, either.

But that didn't stop him from being a good president. Although I have my reservations about FDR -- I consider him a much more ambivalent figure than the hero you read about in American history schoolbooks -- he generally was a man with good judgment and lots of experience.

There are many reasons I don't want McCain to be president. But treating the vice presidency as an afterthough isn't one of them. That's par for the course.

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Every argument stating Palin is not qualified to be a "heart beat away from the Presidency" is an argument against Obama not being qualified to be President.

Just want to point that out to you guys. So keep up the work.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

Every argument stating Palin is not qualified to be a "heart beat away from the Presidency" is an argument against Obama not being qualified to be President.

Just want to point that out to you guys. So keep up the work.

You do realize that we're making fun of McCain's mantra about Obama, right?

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@DrewDad,

No, we're just making fun of Obama and his supporters.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

Every argument stating Palin is not qualified to be a "heart beat away from the Presidency" is an argument against Obama not being qualified to be President.

Just want to point that out to you guys. So keep up the work.

I see that argument. Unfortunately, it's a bit turned around as it was the Republicans arguing that Obama is not qualified. If he's not qualified, how do you justify putting someone like Palin such a position (with a 72 year old candidate). In addition to being turned around, it's not entirely accurate. Palin's experience is not at all equivalent (much less better) to Obama's. At least not in my view, but I realize that is subjective.

Personally, I don't think her experience would be as much of an issue if McCain were not as old as he is. But jeez, the soundbytes we are getting out of the Republicans write their own jokes. I heard Santorum on NPR say that Palin would learn the ropes on the job "with a firehose stuck in her mouth". I think I understand the metaphor he was reaching for, but I don't think that's an image he really wanted to put out there.

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@McGentrix,

Obama, unlike Palin (and McCain as well), has demonstrated outstanding leadership ability in terms of his capacity to inspire people and rally them to his cause. That was abundantly apparent in the campaign he just won to secure the nomination. His rise has been meteoric, and quite unlike anything in memory. That he can inspire such confidence, and demonstrate such leadership, goes a long way in explaining why he may have exactly the right qualities to be president of the United States.

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@H2O MAN,

Actually, I can. In a Harris Poll conducted between May 5th and May 12th 2008 (before the recent USSC ruling) 65% of Democrats surveyed stated that the constitution guarantees the rights of individuals to bear arms vs 84% of Republicans and 66% of the Independents. (see Table 3 in the link below)

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=922

In polling statistics, 65% is considered a strong majority. Keep in mind -- this poll was taken BEFORE the USSC decision. In all likelihood, the numbers would proportionately increase in all three categories after the decision.

Until another poll is published we can only guess at the increase, but a USSC decision confirming what the majority already believes isn't going to make those numbers go down.

So, yes, democrats support the 2A.

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@old europe,

I have no idea what you're talking about. Farmerman gave purported examples of negative traits of Republicans. One or two related to invasion of people's lives. I gave an example of Democrats doing that.

Go ahead and do what liberals do - anything and everything but addressing the actual underlying topic. Make it about me, claim I meant something other than what I meant, demand proof of generally accepted facts from me but not from the poster I was resonding to, accuse me of lying, speculate about my personal life etc., etc. Why are liberals so afraid to simply address the substance of the issue?

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon9000 wrote:

I have no idea what you're talking about. Farmerman gave purported examples of negative traits of Republicans. One or two related to invasion of people's lives. I gave an example of Democrats doing that.

You gave an example. Then you asked

Quote:

So, why aren't you asking him to present evidence to support his contention that the ideas he presented are Republican ideas?

JTT did so. You answered that he didn't provide any statistics for his examples (neither did you, of course), and then added

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C0ngratulations on doing what liberals usually do, take the focus off the issue itself with a distraction.

Apparently, answering your question is a "distraction".

Brandon9000 wrote:

Go ahead and do what liberals do - anything and everything but addressing the actual underlying topic.

You're whining again.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Make it about me, claim I meant something other than what I meant, demand proof of generally accepted facts from me but not from the poster I was resonding to, accuse me of lying, speculate about my personal life etc., etc.

You're a martyr for the Republican cause.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Why are liberals so afraid to simply address the substance of the issue?

They aren't. They are merely mildly annoyed by your constant whining.

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

I heard Santorum on NPR say that Palin would learn the ropes on the job "with a firehose stuck in her mouth". I think I understand the metaphor he was reaching for, but I don't think that's an image he really wanted to put out there.

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon, I admit that I came into the middle of your discussion and saw a statement you made that to me seemed to be not only hyperbole but false. I asked you to support that statement. And, yes, I'm equally troubled by hyperbole and falsehoods thrown around by others, if they are such. In fact, I tend to stay away from the politics threads because, with some exceptions, that's what many of the regulars on here throw around.

I don't have time right now, but I'll look into finding data that denounces the claims that Republicans support the invasion of privacy that has been implemented since 9/11 when I get a chance. It won't be today, but it's a valid point in the argument against hyperbole.

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I am not surprised the republicans are rallying around McCain's pick once you start looking into her record in Alaska as governor and mayor. Despite her rhetoric of fighting against corruptions, she right in there with them. Despite the rhetoric being against earmarks, she has been one to benefit from earmarks. Despite the rhetoric of being against the bridge to "no where" she was for and in fact campaigned on it and only dropped it last year when cost was getting out of hand. She has slashed funding for programs for unwed mothers and has not been in support of sex education and conception methods.

A couple of links below to back up statements but there is plenty more out there. The McCain campaign is now whining about the media frenzy out to get his running mate. What does he expect, no one knew who she was, and the media would not be doing its job if they didn't make an effort to find out all about her.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html?hpid=artslot

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,284198.story

http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/478749.html

http://medianation.blogspot.com/2008/08/palin-favored-bridge-to-nowhere.html

http://www.wesh.com/politics/17371684/detail.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008154532_webpalin02m.html

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/29/1305615.aspx

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@revel,

revel wrote:

What does he expect, no one knew who she was, and the media would not be doing its job if they didn't make an effort to find out all about her.

Exactly, revel...

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@sozobe,

sozobe wrote:

revel wrote:
What does he expect, no one knew who she was, and the media would not be doing its job if they didn't make an effort to find out all about her.

Exactly, revel...

Logic would dictate that the media would also make an effort to find out all about Obama, but they have not.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Logic would dictate that the media would also make an effort to find out all about Obama, but they have not.

That's flatly false.

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@H2O MAN,

Wolf Blitzer had a good response to that when Rudy Giuliani tried that line.... where have you been for the past 18 months?? Of course the media has been making that effort. I'm not always happy with it -- the "effort" often tries to make mountains out of molehills, soundbites out of nuance -- but the media has been hounding Obama for nearly two years now.

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
Logic would dictate that the media would also make an effort to find out all about Obama, but they have not.

That's flatly false.

No.

It's a fact.

The media has not looked at Obama's past and credentials, but they are going to
be forced to treat him as harshly as they are treating the Republican candidates.

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@H2O MAN,

It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Alternate Universe Man!

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@sozobe,

sozobe wrote:

Wolf Blitzer

Who is this Blitzer?

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@sozobe,

sozobe wrote:

It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Alternate Universe Man!

Yes, liberaltards do tend to live in an alternate universe.

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