OK, I admit it. Sarah Palin is a great pick!

@Cycloptichorn,

What I care about is her pro-libertarian stance,
rejecting collectivism. She will pull the rope in the right direction,
away from authoritarianism.

David

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@H2O MAN,

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And that's a fact!

Obama is toast!

Whistling past the graveyard again.

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

Ok, educate me. What percentage of rank and file democrats want to take guns away from private citizens and force us to rely completely on the government to protect us?

The % is shrinking, but it includes all people that currently support Obama.

Consider yourself educated.

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The view from Crikey (Oz online political publication). :

Dear Squatters,

Pro life ... but not for animals. Pro life ... but not for convicted criminals of a certain stamp. Pro family values ... but with a pregnant teenage daughter who appears to model her own on Jamie Lynn Spears. Sarah Palin (no relation ... we think) looks like being the US campaign gift that keeps giving. There are a number of reasons why Gov. Palin’s suitability for the office of vice-president will be an issue for American voters between now and November. Amongst the most serious is why she named her children Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, and Trig. Will she implode, or will she secure the arch-conservative base and seduce some addled fragment of the Clinton disaffected? Will her Elaineness turn out to be a chief selling point among an American constituency indiosyncratically drawn to outspoken, upright, ordinariness?

People laughed at Dan Quayle ...

Wink

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@LionTamerX,

LionTamerX wrote:

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And that's a fact!

Obama is toast!

Whistling past the graveyard again.

The situation is real and Obama is toast! Mr. Green

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@JPB,

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Re: OmSigDAVID (Post 3386219)
Ok, educate me. What percentage of rank and file democrats want to take guns
away from private citizens and force us to rely completely on the government to protect us?

I have never pretended to be an expert on the applicable statistics,
however, when freedom of self defense or alternatively of gun control
come up for votes, most of the opposition to freedom of self defense
and to immediate access to the emergency equipment that is necessary for it
comes from the Democrats, with very few exceptions.

I have observed this political struggle for several decades.
That is what I have seen.

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@msolga,

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The view from Crikey (Oz online political publication). :

Dear Squatters,

Pro life ... but not for animals. Pro life ... but not for convicted criminals of a certain stamp. Pro family values ... but with a pregnant teenage daughter who appears to model her own on Jamie Lynn Spears. Sarah Palin (no relation ... we think) looks like being the US campaign gift that keeps giving. There are a number of reasons why Gov. Palin’s suitability for the office of vice-president will be an issue for American voters between now and November. Amongst the most serious is why she named her children Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, and Trig. Will she implode, or will she secure the arch-conservative base and seduce some addled fragment of the Clinton disaffected? Will her Elaineness turn out to be a chief selling point among an American constituency indiosyncratically drawn to outspoken, upright, ordinariness?

People laughed at Dan Quayle ...

Is this a JOKE ??

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@OmSigDAVID,

Absolutely not! Wink

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@msolga,

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The view from Crikey (Oz online political publication). :

Dear Squatters, ??

Pro life ... but not for animals.

Of course,
hunting is a well established part of our American heritage of freedom

We have the freedom to do that (fishing also)

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Pro life ... but not for convicted criminals of a certain stamp.

U mean MURDERERS and kidnappers ?
We shoud treat them more gently ?
The purpose of government
is to avenge the citizen who fell victim to criminal violence,
so that he will not have to do it himself.

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Pro family values ...
but with a pregnant teenage daughter
who appears to model her own on Jamie Lynn Spears.

What difference does THAT make ?
The daughter is not running for office.

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There are a number of reasons why Gov. Palin’s suitability
for the office of vice-president will be an issue for American voters between now and November.

Amongst the most serious is
why she named her children Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, and Trig.

Something rong with the names ??

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Will she implode, or will she secure the arch-conservative base
and seduce some addled fragment of the Clinton disaffected?

The latter

I never liked McCain much,
but now I 'm a lot happier voting for this ticket
with a libertarian Republican on it, who will probably become President.

David

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@JPB,

Why should I? I'll run off and obtain evidence for anything I suggest that's actually in dispute, but I don't regard the fact that most of the anti-gun crowd is liberal and most of the pro-gun crowd is conservative as being seriously in dispute, nor the fact that most Democrats are liberal and most Republicans conservative. You're doing what liberals usually do, trying desperately to steer an opposing post away from it's subject and into a side issue or side non-issue. Since you have no capacity to actually defend your position on the underlying topic, a distraction is your best bet.

My suggestion stands. Contrary to the post I was responding to, the gun issue is an example of the Democrats wanting to invade people's homes and tell them how to live.

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@OmSigDAVID,

David -- you and Brandon have both made claims about an over-arching dem agenda to take guns away from private citizens. I am not a Democrat or Republican but, to be truthful, I simply don't see it as fact. Consider me ripe for the conversion to the 2A bandwagon. What facts do you have to support your claim that the dems, by-and-large, want to take guns away from private citizens and force us to rely completely on the government to protect us?

As one of the more libertarian members of this forum, I don't want some liberal "them" vs conservative "us" bullshit. Just facts and data if you don't mind.

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon -- I'm far and away not a liberal, at least not in what you generally think of as a liberal. I'm a strong fiscal conservative, libertarian leaning, social liberal (how's that for a label?)

I'm not desperate about anything. I'm not steering anything away from anything. Honest position here -- if you have facts and data that there is an overriding Dem agenda on the 2A issue that would "actually" and even potentially factually become an agenda of concern with an Obama presidency then I'm all ears. I've looked and I simply don't see it.

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JPB, I have looked for evidence that democrats are pro 2A and I just can't find anything that leads
me to believe that they are in favor of supporting the 2A as the USSC recently interpreted it.

Can you offer any proof that democrats support the 2A?

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@H2O MAN,

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I have looked for evidence

We've seen the extent of your research skills.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

I have looked for evidence

And? Didn't find a cartoon?

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

Brandon -- ...if you have facts and data that there is an overriding Dem agenda on the 2A issue that would "actually" and even potentially factually become an agenda of concern with an Obama presidency then I'm all ears. I've looked and I simply don't see it.

First of all, I never said it was an overriding issue, nor that it would become an issue of the Obama campaign or presidency. I said that in general, the anti-gun group is aligned with the Democrats as opposed to the Republicans. In general, I will always do research to support a controversial assertion, and resist requests to present evidence in support of facts that are generally accepted, but apart from that, I have to ask you one thing. I was responding to this part of a post by farmerman:

farmerman wrote:

David wants to have his personal freedom advanced, so he is gonna vote for the party that loves to invade privacy, invade bedrooms, burn books, mess with science, and tell us how to live our lives as long as they comport with Christian beliefs...

So, why aren't you asking him to present evidence to support his contention that the ideas he presented are Republican ideas? I'm all ears.

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@Brandon9000,

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farmerman wrote:
David wants to have his personal freedom advanced, so he is gonna vote for the party that1) loves to invade privacy, 2) invade bedrooms, 3) burn books, 4) mess with science, and 5) tell us how to live our lives as long as they comport with Christian beliefs...

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Brandon wrote:
So, why aren't you asking him to present evidence to support his contention that the ideas he presented are Republican ideas? I'm all ears.

Let me start with just a cursory list:

1) No same sex marriages allowed

2) No same sex marriages allowed; laws against same sex sex

3) [leave it to someone else]

4) Dover, Penn; Kansas; Florida; ID; Discovery Institute

5) Jerry Falwell; James Dobson; [any number of evangelical wackjobs. and it isn't just the wackjobs either]

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

The problem was that McCain really wanted Lieberman, or Ridge, but because both of those people are pro-choice, the Christian conservatives in the party threatened McCain with an explosive floor fight at the convention and vowed that delegates would reject those choices.

"God only made one John McCain, and he is his own man," Lieberman said to cheers at the Republican National Convention as he explained his support for McCain's presidential run.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/02/rnc.day/index.html

If John McCain was truly "his own man" as Lieberman alleged, then Lieberman would be McCain's running mate instead of Palin.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

Quote:
farmerman wrote:
David wants to have his personal freedom advanced, so he is gonna vote for the party that1) loves to invade privacy, 2) invade bedrooms, 3) burn books, 4) mess with science, and 5) tell us how to live our lives as long as they comport with Christian beliefs...

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Brandon wrote:
So, why aren't you asking him to present evidence to support his contention that the ideas he presented are Republican ideas? I'm all ears.

Let me start with just a cursory list:

1) No same sex marriages allowed

2) No same sex marriages allowed; laws against same sex sex

3) [leave it to someone else]

4) Dover, Penn; Kansas; Florida; ID; Discovery Institute

5) Jerry Falwell; James Dobson; [any number of evangelical wackjobs. and it isn't just the wackjobs either]

No, no, no. If I have to do research and actually show the statistics to prove that being anti-gun is primarily a Democratic position, you, or better yet, farmerman, has to provide actual statistics to support every contention in the list he created that I was responding to. Of course, it's a crock. On big issues like these, everybody knows how they line up with parties. However, either both he and I have to do it or neither of us does. C0ngratulations on doing what liberals usually do, take the focus off the issue itself with a distraction.

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon9000 wrote:

C0ngratulations on doing what liberals usually do, take the focus off the issue itself with a distraction.

You ask about "Republican ideas", and when somebody answers your question, you complain about that?

That's quite a bit whiny, eh?

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