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Sarah Palin lies

 
 
nimh
 
Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:26 am
It's no longer just John McCain...

I've summarized the overview below from Hilzoy's post at the Washington Monthly.

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Sarah Palin: "I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves."

The earmark that reserved funds for that bridge was removed before Palin became governor, so she had nothing to do with that. During her campaign, meanwhile, she had assured voters she supported the funding for the bridge.

Once governor, she accepted the money that had been reserved by Congress -- now no longer restricted by an earmark; she just used it for other infrastructure projects.

Sarah Palin:"But listening to [Obama] speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate."

Palin must have been confused about the number of memoirs the presidential candidates have written; it's McCain who wrote two, Obama wrote just one.

Meanwhile, Obama's accomplishments in the Senate include the Lugar-Obama bill on nonproliferation, and an ethics reform package that the Washington Post called "the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet." As Ruth Marcus summarized it in the same paper:

"He helped pass a far-reaching ethics and campaign finance bill in the Illinois state Senate. [In Washington,] much to the displeasure of his colleagues, Obama promoted an outside commission to handle Senate ethics complaints. He co-authored the lobbying reform bill awaiting President Bush's signature and pushed -- again to the dismay of some colleagues -- to include a provision requiring lawmakers to report the names of their lobbyist-bundlers. He has co-sponsored bills to overhaul the presidential public financing system and public financing of Senate campaigns."

Sarah Palin:"America needs more energy ... our opponent is against producing it."

Obama in fact plans to develop a lot more energy than John McCain does. It's just that a lot of it is renewable, not carbon-based.

Sarah Palin: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ... raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars. My sister Heather and her husband have just built a service station that's now opened for business ... How are they going to be any better off if taxes go up?"

Most Americans will pay less in taxes under Obama's plan than under McCain's. If Heather and her husband make less than $250,000, their taxes will not go up.

Sarah Palin:"To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: ... I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House."

In spirit or also in deeds? As governor of Alaska, Palin actually slashed funding for schools for special needs kids by 62%. Budgets: FY 2007 (pre-Palin), 2008, 2009.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:38 am
@nimh,
Ah, thank you. I've been posting fact-checks on the McCain's VP thread, will be nice to have a central place for this stuff (especially since I doubt the convention speech will be the last of the lies...)
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:48 am
@nimh,
Why is europe so scared of Republicans? It's because Europe lopped off its balls in the name of policital correctness.

Don't worry, we'll invade again soon enough to save you from yourselves.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:56 am
@nimh,
I didn't listen to Palin's speech, but knew before she spoke that a) she didn't write it, b) it will be without foundation, and c) she will be challenged on her claims.

However, it was also a given that the attendees to the convention would praise her speech without questioning its veracity which shows most are ignorant about 1) what the American People are concerned about, and 2) charges against Obama will have no foundation in truth.

I hope that the political pundits will also reveal what nimh identified as lies for the next two months to show that Palin is a puppet without any background in honesty or ethics.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:56 am
@nimh,
Hilzoy updated her post and now has a link to this:

http://www.samefacts.com/archives/campaign_2008_/2008/09/palin_v_reality.php

It's the Obama campaign's response, which she calls even more thorough than hers.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:05 am
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:

Hilzoy updated her post and now has a link to this:

http://www.samefacts.com/archives/campaign_2008_/2008/09/palin_v_reality.php

It's the Obama campaign's response, which she calls even more thorough than hers.


Wow. That was thorough. I guess there is one campaign in this election who knows how to do their homework.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:27 am
@FreeDuck,
Evidently that's not any of the tv anchors talking about Palin's speech. They just accept what the party members are saying about the speech without questioning its honesty/truth. That they are the anchors of the media makes them laughing stocks; they've become advocates for lies.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:34 am
@sozobe,
I agree, that was thorough.

You might like this a lot -

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13143.html

Cycloptichorn

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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:39 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I didn't listen to Palin's speech, but knew before she spoke that a) she didn't write it, b) it will be without foundation, and c) she will be challenged on her claims.


screw campaign fund reforms, pass a law that requires all candidates to write their own speeches

you're voting for mccain/palin, not a faceless speech writer
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:41 am
Quote:

AP
Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention

By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer Wed Sep 3, 11:48 PM ET

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform " not even in the state senate."

THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state " by population.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right " change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington " throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.

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Associated Press Writer Jim Drinkard in Washington contributed to this report.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cvn_fact_check;_ylt=ApCxWkX2vgqfwAvIvSXXlDus0NUE

Cycloptichorn
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 01:13 pm
Official: Palin's never issued an order to Alaska Guard
By George Bryson | Anchorage Daily news
9/3/08

ANCHORAGE, Alaska " When presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain introduced Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate last Friday, the Arizona senator emphasized her role as the commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard.

Later, when questions were raised about Palin's lack of experience in national and international affairs, the McCain campaign pointed again to her military command experience as governor. Some reporters have tried to follow up.

"Can you tell me one decision that she made as commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard?" CNN journalist Campbell Brown asked Monday while interviewing McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds. "Just one?"

Bounds couldn't, because Palin has never personally ordered the state guard to do anything.

Instead, here's what he said: "Any decision she has made as the commander of the (Alaska) National Guard that's deployed overseas is more of a decision than Barack Obama's been making as he's been running for president for the last two years."

However, the governor has no command authority overseas or anywhere in the United States other than Alaska, said Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, the service commander of the Alaska National Guard.

"When members of the National Guard are federalized, they work for the president," Campbell said Wednesday. "It's not just overseas. They could be federalized to go to other states or they could even be federalized in the state."

Occasions in which Palin retains command authority over the 4,200-member Alaska National Guard are whenever the Guard responds to in-state natural disasters and civic emergencies, said Campbell, who also serves as the commissioner of the state Department of Military and Veterans Affairs.

Some examples?

"We've deployed individuals in state service all over the state under Sarah Palin," he said. “We had defense men down in Seward for the (Mount) Marathon run doing security.

"Out west and northwest we had erosion problems, and the National Guard was involved in some of the protection out there. About three days ago, the Army National Guard picked up a lady from Little Diomede (Island) . . . at the request of state troopers."

Did Palin directly approve each of those activities?

No, Campbell said. The governor has granted him the authority to act on his own in most cases, including life-or-death emergencies " when a quick response is required " and minor day-to-day operations.

"Some authorities have been given to me that she has acknowledged that I can execute," he said. "For others I have to ask her each time."

The recent decision to deploy a C-17 cargo plane from the Alaska Air National Guard to Louisiana to assist during the Hurricane Gustav response was an occasion in which Campbell briefed the governor's office and sought its approval, he said. Chief of Staff Mike Nizich signed off on it.

Last year, Palin journeyed abroad to visit 500 members of the Alaska Army National Guard who were stationed in northern Kuwait for 15 months. She also stopped at a U.S. military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany, to visit wounded Alaskans, including regular Army troops based at Fort Richardson.

The journey marked the first time that Palin had traveled overseas, according to Sharon Leighow, a spokeswoman in the governor’s office.

The flooding that occurred in Fairbanks in late July " for which the Guard sent trucks north to provide clean drinking water " didn't require the governor's approval, Campbell said.

Natural disasters are fairly sporadic, said Jeremy Zidek, the public information officer for the state Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Management, which is part of Campbell's department.

Last year, during Palin's first year as governor, there wasn't much action, Zidek said. “Thankfully, we didn't have any major disasters."

In 2006, however, during former Gov. Frank Murkowski’s last year in office, the Guard assisted at a tragic fire at a schoolhouse and church in Hooper Bay.

The Alaska National Guard receives about 75 percent of its funding from the federal government, Campbell said. All the federal funding is pre-allocated by Congress.

The state maintains Army National Guard bases in 76 locations in Alaska and Air National Guard bases in three locations.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 01:13 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
The party of morals sure have lost their way; they have become the puppets of the party with all their lies and innuendos. It's now okay for unmarried teens to have babies, and that's now a plus. It's okay to lie to the American People, because that's how you "win."

This is the party that impeached Bill Clinton for having consenting sex with another adult. What happened since then to change them so much?
eoe
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 01:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

This is the party that impeached Bill Clinton for having consenting sex with another adult. What happened since then to change them so much?


Acute desperation and a very real need NOT to see Obama in the WHITE House.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 01:19 pm
@nimh,
Frankly, it's childish and tiresome to always ascribe bad motives and dishonesty to one's political opposition. For God's sake, just say that you disagree with her views and leave it at that. While we're on the subject, stop trying to dig up personal dirt, calling her a bad mother, saying her daughter's a slut, etc.
caribou
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 01:30 pm
@Brandon9000,
I don't see where nimh is digging up any personal dirt or calling Palin any names. Can you quote where you see this?

This looks like an analysis of what has been said and what the facts really are. What are you reading?
Brandon9000
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 01:35 pm
@caribou,
The first comment was addressed to him specifically, and the second referred to a tendency I see among many posters here. To me, someone who reflexively accuses the political opposition of lying, falls into the same general category, even if he is not personally guilty of every characteristic of the category. Now that that's clear, how about addressing the idea I was asserting, instead of doing what liberals always do, and trying to find a distraction to avoid discussing the idea?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 02:08 pm
Brandon obviously doesn't have a clue about political distractions. LOL
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 02:32 pm
Quote:
Ex Alaska AG: Palin's Legal Strategy is Bogus
By Zachary Roth - September 4, 2008, 2:43PM

It looks like Sarah Palin's legal strategy in the Trooper-Gate investigation may not hold much water.

In a complaint filed this week with the state Attorney General, Palin's lawyer argued that only the state personnel board -- whose three members are appointed by the governor -- has jurisdiction over ethics complaints. The lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, asserted that unless the legislature's investigation were called off and the matter handed over to the personnel board, Palin would not be made available for her deposition.

But an expert we spoke to shot down that argument. John Havelock, a former Alaska Attorney General, told TPMmuckraker: "The investigative power of the legislature is plenary." In other words, the Alaska legislature can investigate whatever it likes. Said Havelock of Van Flein's argument "It's not likely to be persuasive to a court." That opinion was echoed by several other Alaska lawyers that TPMmuckraker spoke to.

Havelock, a Democrat, added that the legislature could voluntarily choose to hand over the investigation. But is has shown no sign of making that choice. Hollis French, the Anchorage Democrat who heads the bipartisan committee overseeing the probe, responded to Van Flein's filing by telling the Anchorage Daily News that the investigation would go ahead as planned.

It's likely, of course, that Van Flein's argument isn't designed to ultimately hold up on the merits, but rather to drag out the investigation. That impression was re-inforced yesterday when a lawyer for ex-Palin aide Frank Bailey abruptly cancelled Bailey's scheduled deposition. The lawyer today cited uncertainty over the jurisdictional issue as a reason for the cancellation.


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/ex_alaska_ag_palins_legal_stra.php

Cycloptichorn
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 02:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Brandon obviously doesn't have a clue about political distractions. LOL


You know what's so hateful about you A2K liberals? You'll do anything to avoid talking about the idea someone advances, if you don't agree with it. You talk about the poster, or haggle about some detail of his wording, or speculate about his personal life, or simply mock him, or claim that his assertion was disproved in some nebulous series of previous posts, but you can almost never be induced to just argue the point he made.

This is the way you guys behave characteristically, and the interpretation is obvious - you prefer to discuss anything but the idea advanced, because you can't win an argument on the actual topic.

And, actually, it's consistent with what I was referring to in my post - trying to attack Palin on everything except her campaign positions. You guys can't win the underlying argument, so you don't much try, and concentrate on distractions.

Since my idea has actually not been challenged, it would be reasonable to say that I win the argument by default. All future comments on this series of posts will be ignored unless they address my actual assertion.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 02:55 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon, Do you understand the English language? Palin's positions on almost everything she spoke about has been shown to be either stretching the truth or outright lies.

Please list for us what Palin said that is factual/truthful? Then challenge what research has shown about her statements to be false? .

You know nothing about "default;" if you continue to support what Palin said yesterday.
 

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