Oneness vs. Trinity

Remind me, when was it the last time he talked to you?

Should folks who have out of body experiences be allowed to drive?

Thay had no effect on my mudane activity; no one with whom I was in conversation
indicated any question qua whether I was having an OOBE or not.
If u disagree, u can petition your legislators and explain your objections.

Let us know how that works out, Neologist.





David

Nah.
Nobody could prove they did.

Oh. . . Right!

Your explanation is nice but you miss certain points as to why Jesus said that if you have seen him you have seen the father and that he and the father are one. Also, because of John 1:1 many accept the trinity as true. Let me try to explain it. According to the Trinity doctrine, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only one God. John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (King James Version) Later in the same chapter, the apostle John clearly shows that “the Word” is Jesus. (John 1:14) Since the Word is called God, however, some conclude that the Son and the Father must be part of the same God. Bear in mind that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later, translators rendered the Greek text into other languages. A number of Bible translators, though, did not use the phrase “the Word was God.” Why not? Based on their knowledge of Biblical Greek, those translators concluded that the phrase “the Word was God” should be translated differently.
Now, learning additional facts, we learned that they are not the same. consider what John further writes in chapter 1, verse 18: “No man has seen [Almighty] God at any time.” However, humans have seen Jesus, the Son, for John says: “The Word [Jesus] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory.” (John 1:14, KJ) How, then, could the Son be part of Almighty God? John also states that the Word was “with God.” But how can an individual be with someone and at the same time be that person? Moreover, as recorded at John 17:3, Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and his heavenly Father. He calls his Father “the only true God.” And toward the end of his Gospel, John sums up matters by saying: “These have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God.” (John 20:31) Notice that Jesus is called, not God, but the Son of God. This additional information provided in the Gospel of John shows how John 1:1 should be understood. Jesus, the Word, is “a god” in the sense that he has a high position but is not the same as Almighty God.
Regarding the end of this system of things, he quotes Jesus as saying: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?
Also, as to being one in the father. In John 17: 20-23 Jesus ask his father to make them in union as one as He is in union with the Father and that they (apostles) be in union with them. Does this mean that the apostles are all one and not twelve? If this is true then the apostles are also the father and Jesus.

Hope this clears things a bit.

And you opened an account and signed in on A2K just to post this gibberish?

Geezz!!!

Typical of your razor sharp reasoning.

His point is, by and large, correct.

Kind of a tough read, I'll admit.

I have study the the doctrine of trinitarians and oneness. I beleive oneness god manifest in three and I have come to the conclusion that as long as you beleive JESUS and him crucified for your sins then your name will be written in the lambs book of life. by the way I go to a church that beleives trinity and never visited a oneness church. I didnt get my belief from church I got it from the word of god. If oneness people and trinitarians could let there hearts be touch with compassion and come together and realize we are both trying reach the lost then we could stop the confusion right now. If you think because someone is trinitarian or oneness there going to HELL then i would really recommend you get alone and get in touch with GOD . Jesus is god . john ch 1 vs 1-14 colossians ch 2 vs 8-10 god bless

To whom did Jesus pray?

To whitejr's god of grammar..

That would be his 3rd grade teacher

Good Day all Please note that the biggest deception that Satan came with was the Trinity. In the 1st commandment given unto Moses/Musa (AS) GOD says "I am the Lord your God. You shal not take the form of a fish in the sea a bird in the sky nor any animal , man or image & Put it beside me for I am ONE GOD". Jesus/Isa (AS) said in reply to the 3rd Temptationt by Satan,"Away from me Devil for it is written thou shalt worship The LORD thy GOD & HIM ALONE must thee worship."
Also keep in mind that when Jesus wanted to perform a miracle in his own hometown the people wanted to stone him & he then referred to himself as a Prophet
This is an event recorded in the Synoptic Gospels, Mark 6:1-6, Matthew 4:13-16, Luke 4:16-30, where Jesus is strongly rejected by the people of his hometown, which Luke specifies as Nazareth. The core saying is also mentioned in John 4:44. This incident takes place after the Temptation of Jesus.

According to the Synoptics, shortly after Jesus has given his first set of teachings (and before John the Baptist is killed), Jesus returns to his hometown. On the sabbath, he is described as entering a synagogue and teaching. Luke states that Jesus performed a public reading of scripture, then claimed he was the fulfilment of a prophecy at Isaiah 61:1-2, though the other synoptics do not provide this detail. All the synoptics describe the crowd as negatively questioning the origin of his teachings (see also Mark 3), and criticising him for being a lowly carpenter's son (Matthew) or himself a carpenter (Mark). In Matthew and Mark the crowd are also described as referring to Jesus as being the brother of James, Simon, Joseph, and Judas (in Mark they also mention but do not name Jesus's sisters), in a manner suggesting that the crowd regards them as just ordinary people, and criticising Jesus' quite different behaviour.

Jesus though is described as rebuking them (in variations of the same wording between each gospel):

a prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house - Matthew 13:57

.....and this proves, what?

Water can be in the form of water, ice or vapour. But, they are still all water.

I agree Intrepid. I am just fascinated that those that believe Jesus is the Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost will ignore every scripture that says Jesus has a Father. It boggles the mind.

I think that its instructive that people who have returned from death in hospitals
(those who have memory of what happened during death)
have said that there IS a Judgment Day, that you are the judge
and that u judge your life by 2 criteria:

1. Love

and

2. Learning

www.IANDS.org




David

It proves that Jesus was sent by God as a Prophet & that there is no thing such as the trinity. The Trinity was & is an indoctrination by Constantine. In the book of Psalms David
Psalm 2:7
I will proclaim the decree of the LORD : He said to me, "You are my Son ; today I have become your Father.
So why do say Jesus is the son of God when the same words were said to David

A blood sacrifice without sin must be made for the redemption of man. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Heb. 9:22. So by His plan (Word), God, the invisible Spirit, made Himself a body born of the virgin Mary, and dwelt among us."And the Word (which was God) was made flesh, and dwelt among us..." John 1,14. This body was the only begotten Son or image of God. Paul said that the Son is the image (body) of the invisible God." Colossians 1:15.God says He is the ONLY GOD.

"I am the Lord that maketh all things;
that stretcheth forth the heavens alone,
that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself" (Isaiah 44:24).

The God of the Bible claims to be the Creator, and He claims to be the only one of His kind.

As the SOLITARY Deity, He says He has no peers and no counselors. There are no others like Him. Moses declared, "the Lord our God is one Lord" (Deuteronomy 6:4).

"Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any" (Isaiah 44:8b). "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God" (Isaiah 44:6b).

He is life.
He is the Father of all life.
He is the Father of all spirits.

He is, at the same time, our God, our Father, our Lord and our King.

David asked, "Who is this King of Glory?" then answered, "The Lord of Hosts, He is the King of Glory" (Psalm 24:10).

This Father Himself said, "I am the Lord, your Holy one, the creator...your King" (Isaiah 43:15).

We know these things because He revealed them to us by His Word.

There is only ONE GOD!

I don't think anyone has said there is more than one God. The trinity is not made up of three Gods like the oneness people like to claim. Personally, I think this is something that is yet a mystery and we won't have the full understanding until we are in front of God.

Sorry, MrTips. What you had written does not prove that or anything else. Constantine was not even baptized until he was on his deathbed. He did a lot for Christians but he did not introduce the trinity.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit does not necessarily mean three separate entities. As I said earlier..... water can be in the form of water, ice and vapour. Three entities. However, they are all still water, after all is said and done.