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McCain is blowing his election chances.

 
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 01:37 pm
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 01:43 pm
real life wrote:
Obama's lack of experience, his tendency to dodge tough decisions, his penchant for associating with racists and terrorists and his insinuations of racism if he is not nominated probably have nothing to do with it.

To just tackle the most (or only) serious item in your list, even that does not make sense for the kind of voter Lash, Bill and I are referring to. Voters who suppported Hillary passionately, and obviously, then, support the politics and ideals she stands for.

Obama shares most all of those politics and ideals; McCain holds the opposite conviction on most. How does experience, then, rationally trump this consideration? Who would prefer someone with lots of experience who will use that experience to push through policies that you abhor, over someone who shares your views but has little experience?
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 01:48 pm
This one made me LOL when I saw it in the paper:

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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 04:37 pm
This Politico article nicely illustrates the silliness of John McCain, long-time media darling, attacking Obama as a "celebrity".

Quote:
If Obama's A "Celebrity," What's McCain?

Politico: As McCamp Camp Tries To Brand Obama A "Celebrity Politician," It's Worth Considering McCain's Own Media Status

August 3, 2008

If Barack Obama gave new meaning to the term "political celebrity," then John McCain helped define it.

He emerged as the most popular Republican in Hollywood following his 2000 presidential primary defeat, winning more screen time than the rest of Congress combined. McCain made cameos in "Wedding Crashers" and "24," saw his memoir turned into a popular biopic on A&E, and appeared more than 30 times on late night comedy shows.

So this week, when McCain cast Obama's celebrity as a disqualifier, it seemed like a curious turn.

Just one day before McCain released an advertisement interspersing pictures of Paris Hilton and Britney Spears with footage of Obama addressing 200,000 people in Berlin, actor Jon Voight told Variety that McCain had "many great, intelligent, talented Academy-winning actors standing by, awaiting a major press conference to show their support."

"[The ad] is a bit ironic given that McCain has been the most pop-culture savvy Republican candidate in quite some time," said Ted Johnson, managing editor of Variety and editor of the blog Wilshire and Washington, which monitors the intersection of celebrity and politics. [..]

It's a striking line of attack for McCain, who's accepted without complaint the "celebrity" epithet from journalists for four decades. "John's been a celebrity ever since he was shot down," former McCain strategist John Weaver told The Atlantic earlier this week, "whatever that means." [..]

Hollywood warmed to him in 2000 as he ran against one of its least favorite people, George W. Bush. He endeared himself with liberals, including Warren Beatty, by taking unconventional stances for a Republican presidential candidate, such as favoring campaign finance reform and challenging the Christian right. His open-door approach with journalists made him the darling of the media elite. "You can definitely makes the case that McCain stands out among Republicans for his associations with Hollywood and his celebrity status," Johnson said. [..]

In the years that followed, he became a near-regular on the late-night comedy circuit, appearing eight times on "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart," 12 times on the "Late Show with David Letterman," 10 times on "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno," and three times on "Late Night with Conan O'Brien," according to imdb.com.

He hosted "Saturday Night Live" in 2002. "Faith of My Fathers" pulled in 3.7 million viewers on A&E in 2005, making it the network's most popular program in over a year. He appeared on "24" in 2006. And he made a brief cameo in "Wedding Crashers," offering congratulations to the father of the bride, a senator played by Christopher Walken. [..]

A liberal blog noted this week that the McCain campaign had scrubbed its website of an Associated Press story from last year that described him as a "political celebrity." [But] McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said the article was removed as part of routine housecleaning of the website several weeks ago. [..]
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 04:39 pm
And now Kathy Hilton, Paris's mother and thus far a McCain supporter, adds her 2 cents ... what a freak show.

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Kathy Hilton: McCain's Celebrity Ad: Frivolous, A Waste Of Money, A Waste Of Time

I've been asked again and again for my response to the now infamous McCain celebrity ad. I actually have three responses. It is a complete waste of the money John McCain's contributors have donated to his campaign. It is a complete waste of the country's time and attention at the very moment when millions of people are losing their homes and their jobs. And it is a completely frivolous way to choose the next President of the United States.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2008 10:21 pm
Ouch.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 07:36 am
Obama blows his chances at getting elected by ducking debates with McCain.

One Week, 9-Point Lead Lost for Obama in Tracking Poll Laughing
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 10:44 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Obama blows his chances at getting elected by ducking debates with McCain.

One Week, 9-Point Lead Lost for Obama in Tracking Poll Laughing

Scheduled debates:

Sept. 6, University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS (presidential candidates)
Oct. 2, Washington University, St. Louis, MO (vice presidential candidates)
Oct 7, Belmont, University, Nashville, TN (presidential candidates)
Oct, 15, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY (presidential candidates)
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 11:08 am
nimh wrote:
This Politico article nicely illustrates the silliness of John McCain, long-time media darling, attacking Obama as a "celebrity".


The celebrity issue is more than a campaign issue.

The media will continue to handle Obama with kid gloves far into his first term, if he gets the nod.

It will only be when the wheels come off that some will dare leave the reservation to take an honest look at 'Present' Obama.

Look how the media treated Clinton even after his non-responses to four terrorist attacks on America, even after he committed perjury, even after he was FORCED to sign a balanced budget AND welfare reform by a Republican congress, even after Hilly's attempt at nationalizing the health care industry and mandating criminal penalties for those who paid for health care out of their own pocket, even after the Arkansas scandals such as the prisoner blood/HIV scandal were too obvious to ignore, even after burning women and children alive in Waco Texas, even after .............

.........shall I continue?
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 11:11 am
real life wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
nimh wrote:
Lash wrote:
I guess most people see Obama and Hillary so close in their views that it does make one wonder how someone could heartily support Hillary and not transfer that support easily to Obama...unless race is a factor.


Yep
Yep. It is both stunning and disappointing how many here are able to deny the seemingly obvious merit in this observation.


Obama's lack of experience, his tendency to dodge tough decisions, his penchant for associating with racists and terrorists and his insinuations of racism if he is not nominated probably have nothing to do with it.

Haven't read to see if anyone else responded to this, but I'll tell you--I don't think any of this is accurate.

Hillary has no more experience than Obama.
All politicians dodge tough questions, including Hillary.
You're kidding about the racists and terrorists... Hillary paid for black support by a guy who said some really raunchy race-based things (in South Carolina, was it?)
Race seems to factor heavily in your reasoning... Are you saying Obama has accused people who aren't voting for him of being racists?

I'd enjoy seeing your actual evidence for these accusations. I'm not even saying it doesn't exist---but so many times, we project hearsay and our own preconceived attitudes onto others... I know I've done it. Wondering if maybe you have.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 11:11 am
Every time I heard/hear Bill Clinton speak, I get sick to my stomach.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 11:23 am
real life wrote:
nimh wrote:
This Politico article nicely illustrates the silliness of John McCain, long-time media darling, attacking Obama as a "celebrity".


The celebrity issue is more than a campaign issue.


No, right now it's a campaign issue. And McLiar has long been getting free passes from the media, still does when he has clearly shown himself to be nothing more than a lying two-faced panderer, who can't keep the issues straight from one sentecne to the next.

He will be slaughtered in any debate. It will be the most embarrassing thing TV has ever shown. They'll have to rig him up so that someone with a joystick can control every movement, every gesture, everything that issues from his mouth.

Even then there'll be these "real life" repuglicans who'll support this dismal failure that is McCain. Those same "real life" repuglicans who have supported the mess of the last eight years.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 11:24 am
cjhsa wrote:
Every time I heard/hear Bill Clinton speak, I get sick to my stomach.


Must be the carrion that you eat.
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 11:31 am
Lash,

Obama's comments in SF ( just a few days before the PA primary) made reference to those 'who cling to their guns and their religion and their antipathy to those who aren't like them'.

This is a slick way of saying those who don't support him are racist.

And no, I'm not kidding about racists and terrorists. You surely are aware of Obama's friendship with Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks.

My reference to dodging tough decisions was not about dodging tough questions (like in an interview) . It was a reference to his habit of voting 'Present' in the Illinois legislature when a tough vote would occur.

I'll grant you that experience is definitely lacking with Hillary AND Obama, but I'd say that her experience (and more importantly her connections due to her marriage to Bill) , would give her much more leverage in getting things done with Congress. She's been a public figure much longer, including her tenure on the board of Walmart, her experience as first lady of AR where she was a force to be reckoned with.

I just think blowing off all criticism with 'you're just racist' is not legit. But that doesn't keep the O team from continuing to play the race card over and over again.

It's much easier than addressing the issues.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 11:38 am
JTT wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
Every time I heard/hear Bill Clinton speak, I get sick to my stomach.


Must be the carrion that you eat.


No, it's the carrion coming out of Bill's mouth....
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 12:53 pm
McCain is Forgetting the First Rule of Fight Club
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 01:00 pm
Quote:


McCain Favoring Local Reporters As National Press Sour On One-Time Straight Talker

KANSAS CITY While the traveling press corps was shipped off to a barbecue restaurant here, John McCain charmed his way through an interview with a local TV reporter. Surae Chinn of KCTV posed such less-than-penetrating questions as "How important is Missouri?" and "Have you chosen a running mate?" and -- addressing the candidate's wife, Cindy -- "How do you make your marriage work?"

Moments later, though, the Republican candidate seemed to grow annoyed with the Kansas City Star's Steve Kraske, who pressed him on his recent comment that "nothing is off the table" when it comes to strengthening Social Security.

When Kraske said that McCain presumably wasn't ruling out a payroll tax hike, McCain interrupted: "That's presuming wrong." When the reporter rephrased the question, McCain said: "If you want to keep asking me over and over again, you're welcome to."

It was a brief moment of friction that highlighted how the captain of the Straight Talk Express is having a bumpier ride with journalists than when he ran for president eight years ago. The popular image of the campaign -- McCain bantering with national journalists in the back of his bus -- has, in reality, all but vanished. The traveling press is now routinely stiffed in favor of five-minute sit-downs with local reporters.


Rerouting McCain's Bus
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 02:07 pm
McGentrix wrote:
McCain is better than the campaign he has run so far. Most people admit that McCain is an inspirational figure - even Obama has admitted that - so why isn't McCain telling voters where he wants to lead them?

Instead, his campaign is all about his opponent.

I suppose the obvious answer is that McCain's campaign strategists must feel that attacking Obama will be more successful in the end, than presenting McCain's own viewpoints and plans.

Personally, I would prefer it if both candidates would just talk about the issues and their own plans for solving things and I would decide from that. But I may not represent the "normal" voter.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 02:09 pm
real life wrote:
Lash,

Obama's comments in SF ( just a few days before the PA primary) made reference to those 'who cling to their guns and their religion and their antipathy to those who aren't like them'.
Yeah. I remember that. I thought it was pretty bad, too...
This is a slick way of saying those who don't support him are racist.
...although I think the link to the racial angle is unproven. Maybe I should find the quote in context.
And no, I'm not kidding about racists and terrorists. You surely are aware of Obama's friendship with Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks.
I think all the candidates rub elbows with racists. I did not know about the people you mention other than Wright. I'll have to educate myself about them before commenting further. I do know the Wright story, and I just don't give it the weight you do. You don't think there are people with similar viewpoints in McCain's and Clinton's lives?
My reference to dodging tough decisions was not about dodging tough questions (like in an interview) . It was a reference to his habit of voting 'Present' in the Illinois legislature when a tough vote would occur.
This is a major thing to me. The worst thing about Obama. Good point.
I'll grant you that experience is definitely lacking with Hillary AND Obama, but I'd say that her experience (and more importantly her connections due to her marriage to Bill) , would give her much more leverage in getting things done with Congress. She's been a public figure much longer, including her tenure on the board of Walmart, her experience as first lady of AR where she was a force to be reckoned with.
Again, noted.
I just think blowing off all criticism with 'you're just racist' is not legit. But that doesn't keep the O team from continuing to play the race card over and over again.

It's much easier than addressing the issues.


Thank you so much for fleshing out your opinion. Very Happy
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 02:11 pm
Lash wrote:
real life wrote:
Lash,

Obama's comments in SF ( just a few days before the PA primary) made reference to those 'who cling to their guns and their religion and their antipathy to those who aren't like them'.
Yeah. I remember that. I thought it was pretty bad, too...
This is a slick way of saying those who don't support him are racist.
...although I think the link to the racial angle is unproven. Maybe I should find the quote in context.
And no, I'm not kidding about racists and terrorists. You surely are aware of Obama's friendship with Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks.
I think all the candidates rub elbows with racists. I did not know about the people you mention other than Wright. I'll have to educate myself about them before commenting further. I do know the Wright story, and I just don't give it the weight you do. You don't think there are people with similar viewpoints in McCain's and Clinton's lives?
My reference to dodging tough decisions was not about dodging tough questions (like in an interview) . It was a reference to his habit of voting 'Present' in the Illinois legislature when a tough vote would occur.
This is a major thing to me. The worst thing about Obama. Good point.
I'll grant you that experience is definitely lacking with Hillary AND Obama, but I'd say that her experience (and more importantly her connections due to her marriage to Bill) , would give her much more leverage in getting things done with Congress. She's been a public figure much longer, including her tenure on the board of Walmart, her experience as first lady of AR where she was a force to be reckoned with.
Again, noted.
I just think blowing off all criticism with 'you're just racist' is not legit. But that doesn't keep the O team from continuing to play the race card over and over again.

It's much easier than addressing the issues.


Thank you so much for fleshing out your opinion. Very Happy


Lash, you oughta research the 'present' votes Obama did; it was a procedural tool, not an unwillingness to take a position.

Of course, idiot trolls see no such distinctions, but I think it's pretty clearly documented.

Cycloptichorn
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